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Boss_Blue
I will find you and consensually bum you
@chicoazul , I thank you for your timely provision of the acronym BAWK.
marty mcfly
Player Valuation: £40m
I wouldn't be surprised. He did come out and say Barkley doesn't work on the wing.
However when senior players have a dip in form they would blame the manager. Jags and Distin have no right to be complaining about anyone this season.
TheFinnFan
Finners
disapointing for sure. but im almost even more dissapointed of the fact that many evertonians seems to have a backbone of a herring.
things arent going for our way atm moment but we'll be alright. and im absolutely sure we will do boss things this season.
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marty mcfly
Player Valuation: £40m
McCarthy just because he plays in the middle and will be close to the ref to get in his face. We need to start being a bit more snide.
marty mcfly
Player Valuation: £40m
We don't need a CB this window. A lot has been talked about Galloway and Browning. They deserve games before we bring someone else in. Alcaraz, Stones and even Besic can all play Martinez' style plus I don't think Jags is finished yet. He might have another season so we could leave it till the summer.
davek
Player Valuation: £150m
One thing we need is players getting right into the officials at home when the opposition slow the game down with time wasting tactics. Yesterday wasn't a one off by any means. It's been part and parcel of the game plan by the likes of Palace, Hull, West Ham and now Stoke to drop to the floor 'injured' or take an age getting throw ins, free kicks, goal kicks and corners taken. It's contributed to the slowing down of the pace of our own game.
Every time it happens we need to have our players screaming at the ref to give a caution to the opposition player. It'll get a lot of yellows in the end and put the skids under that tactic.
Boss_Blue
I will find you and consensually bum you
We don't know this (unless you have been attending all of the training sessions at Finch Farm).
blueboy1945
Player Valuation: £8m
Have to agree with Dave here, Jags is nowhere near vocal enough and never grabs the game by the crook of the neck like a good captain does.
BTW watching a great game on Sky now 4-0 to Hibs v Rangers!
Boss_Blue
I will find you and consensually bum you
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Klaas
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Should he be sacked? Yes
Will he be sacked? No
Will he be sacked? No
TheFinnFan
Finners
and even if someone would have they wouldnt know. lets not start to think we know better. ffs.
billy_the_blue
Player Valuation: £500k
Moyes:
League:
7th
17th
4th
11th (Couldn't be blamed on Europe as we got knocked out of both competitions and were finished with European football by the end of September)
then between 5th and 8th until he left, regardless of European football or lack of.
Europe:
Unluckly in Champions League (Collina), ripped apart in Uefa. Following that, a couple of decent runs in the Europa group stages, but we always seemed to get demolished by anyone decent.
Tactics:
Negative, usually. Go to the big 4 and just try and defend and maybe escape with a draw. He did have a plan B, and sometimes it worked (throwing the kitchen sink at it - one good example Blackburn away, he went in to the last 5 mins with Saha, Yakubu, Anichebe and Cahill to try and turn it around and I think we went on to win 3-2 with 2 late goals) although sometimes it didn't work (Playing Baxter at right back in a dismal home defeat in the cup to Reading, after knocking Chelsea out on pens). Subs were baffling sometimes as well, stuck to his favourites Neville Osman Hibbert Cahill even when out of form, dropped in-form Yak for Saha, etc etc. He did our head in constantly and we had some shocking losses and performances under him. Questionable team selections. I watched Barkleys debut vs QPR, we got beat 1-0 with a CM pairing of Heitinga/Osman, Rodwell on the right, Barkley on the left, with Cahill supporting Beckford, whilst Saha, Arteta, Fellaini all warmed the bench.
Transfers:
Mixed, some shockers but did sign some brilliant players with limited resources. Just a shame the strikers he bought only seemed to have one good season each.
Amazing: Coleman, Cahill, Jagielka, Arteta, Baines, Howard, Lescott, Fellaini, Mirallas, Donovan, Pienaar, Stones, Garbutt?
Decent: Distin, Yakubu, Jelavic, Saha, Johnson, Beattie, Yobo, McFadden, Martyn, Kilbane, Bent, Neville, Nuno Valente, Fernandes, Heitinga, Oviedo, Gibson, Naismith
Didn't work out/Weren't Good Enough: Turner, Davies, Van Der Meyde, Drenthe, Stracqualursi, Jacobsen, Ferrari, Kroldrup, Wright, Rodrigo, Jo, Bilyaletdinov, Beckford, Gueye, Vellios, Joao Silva
Why?: Li Wei Feng, Said, Anderson Da Silva, Plessis, Bosnar, Gardner, Baardsen, Wessels, Senderos, Pascucci
Shouldn't Have Let Go: Mustafi, Ruddy, Gosling?
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Martinez:
League:
5th, qualified for Europa. Broke countless records.
Europe:
RM's first ever European experience? Won the group with a game to spare, winning comfortably against teams like Wolfsburg and Lille.
Tactics:
First season, brilliant. POSITIVE! Out-witted a lot of managers including Wenger, Mourinho, Moyes, unlucky not to win the home derby, substitutions were bang on, made a difference and often got us a point or 3. Even had a plan B with Deulofeu.
This season, struggling to balance the team, not making the right subs, struggling with Europa demands, over-working the players leading to injuries, missing a plan B, starting to develop a Moyes-esque favouritism for the older players even when out of form. Also Moyes-esque in playing players out of position (Barkley, Naismith as wingers, Eto'o number 10)
Transfers:
Can't compare 11 years to 1 and a half, but so far, like Moyes, a little mixed.
Amazing: McCarthy, Lukaku, Eto'o, Deulofeu, Barry (felt unfair to call him "decent" after his first season),
Decent: Galloway, Kone, Besic
Not Good Enough: Alcaraz, Joel, Atsu
Why?
Shouldn't Have Let Go: Anichebe?
In summary, no, he shouldn't be sacked after one and a half seasons. If he has a really good run in the Europa, or even takes us to the final and wins it, I don't care if we finish 9th, 10th, 11th, Martinez will learn from it and know what he has to do in the Jan and the Summer to help us cope with the European demands (or lack of) next season. If we don't win the Europa, and we don't qualify for Europe at all, then next season we'll have less pressure and a chance to build, it could work in our favour like it has for United this season, or the RS last season.
The only reason he should be sacked is if we get relegated, or are in serious danger of being relegated by March/April time and desperate measures are needed, but we're Everton, and it won't come to that.
WHAT HE NEEDS TO DO:
STICK TO WHAT WORKS!
-Barkley or Naismith as number 10. Not Eto'o, not two or even all 3 of them fighting for that space behind Lukaku.
-Mirallas and Coleman as a right sided pairing, works.
-Pienaar and Baines as a left sided pairing, works.
-Barkley playing deeper to accomodate Naismith, works. In a nutshell, play central players in the middle, and wide-men out-wide.
-Naismith as a false 9 with Mirallas and Lukaku wide forwards - works against vulnerable full backs.
-Lukaku as an impact sub, just because he was £28 mil doesnt mean he should start every single week, he's 21!
-Play wingers infront of Baines and Coleman. They are our biggest creative outlet and are being stifled by lack of support/cover.
-STONES
RE-BUILD
Distin's way passed it, Alcaraz isn't good enough, Pienaar, Osman, Hibbert, all just not quite up to it anymore, although I still think Pienaar can be effective. All need replacements that are first-team ready.
Stop handing out contracts based on loyalty and base them on performance.
And most important, LISTEN TO THE FANS! There's a lot of mis-interpretation about the boo's and the "impatient" Goodison crowd.
WE ARE NOT ASKING FOR LONG BALL TACTICS, WE'RE JUST SICK OF SEEING ATTACKING FREE KICKS GETTING PASSED BACK TO DISTIN THEN TO HOWARD! SICK OF SEEING SHORT CORNERS COME TO NOTHING, AND CROSSES FAILING TO BEAT THE FIRST MAN. WE'RE SICK OF BEING A GOAL DOWN IN THE LAST MINUTE AND STILL PLAYING WITH NO URGENCY!
PLAY IT FORWARD, PASS AND MOVE! SEE LAST YEARS PERFORMANCES FOR REMINDERS ON HOW TO DO THIS!
League:
7th
17th
4th
11th (Couldn't be blamed on Europe as we got knocked out of both competitions and were finished with European football by the end of September)
then between 5th and 8th until he left, regardless of European football or lack of.
Europe:
Unluckly in Champions League (Collina), ripped apart in Uefa. Following that, a couple of decent runs in the Europa group stages, but we always seemed to get demolished by anyone decent.
Tactics:
Negative, usually. Go to the big 4 and just try and defend and maybe escape with a draw. He did have a plan B, and sometimes it worked (throwing the kitchen sink at it - one good example Blackburn away, he went in to the last 5 mins with Saha, Yakubu, Anichebe and Cahill to try and turn it around and I think we went on to win 3-2 with 2 late goals) although sometimes it didn't work (Playing Baxter at right back in a dismal home defeat in the cup to Reading, after knocking Chelsea out on pens). Subs were baffling sometimes as well, stuck to his favourites Neville Osman Hibbert Cahill even when out of form, dropped in-form Yak for Saha, etc etc. He did our head in constantly and we had some shocking losses and performances under him. Questionable team selections. I watched Barkleys debut vs QPR, we got beat 1-0 with a CM pairing of Heitinga/Osman, Rodwell on the right, Barkley on the left, with Cahill supporting Beckford, whilst Saha, Arteta, Fellaini all warmed the bench.
Transfers:
Mixed, some shockers but did sign some brilliant players with limited resources. Just a shame the strikers he bought only seemed to have one good season each.
Amazing: Coleman, Cahill, Jagielka, Arteta, Baines, Howard, Lescott, Fellaini, Mirallas, Donovan, Pienaar, Stones, Garbutt?
Decent: Distin, Yakubu, Jelavic, Saha, Johnson, Beattie, Yobo, McFadden, Martyn, Kilbane, Bent, Neville, Nuno Valente, Fernandes, Heitinga, Oviedo, Gibson, Naismith
Didn't work out/Weren't Good Enough: Turner, Davies, Van Der Meyde, Drenthe, Stracqualursi, Jacobsen, Ferrari, Kroldrup, Wright, Rodrigo, Jo, Bilyaletdinov, Beckford, Gueye, Vellios, Joao Silva
Why?: Li Wei Feng, Said, Anderson Da Silva, Plessis, Bosnar, Gardner, Baardsen, Wessels, Senderos, Pascucci
Shouldn't Have Let Go: Mustafi, Ruddy, Gosling?
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Martinez:
League:
5th, qualified for Europa. Broke countless records.
Europe:
RM's first ever European experience? Won the group with a game to spare, winning comfortably against teams like Wolfsburg and Lille.
Tactics:
First season, brilliant. POSITIVE! Out-witted a lot of managers including Wenger, Mourinho, Moyes, unlucky not to win the home derby, substitutions were bang on, made a difference and often got us a point or 3. Even had a plan B with Deulofeu.
This season, struggling to balance the team, not making the right subs, struggling with Europa demands, over-working the players leading to injuries, missing a plan B, starting to develop a Moyes-esque favouritism for the older players even when out of form. Also Moyes-esque in playing players out of position (Barkley, Naismith as wingers, Eto'o number 10)
Transfers:
Can't compare 11 years to 1 and a half, but so far, like Moyes, a little mixed.
Amazing: McCarthy, Lukaku, Eto'o, Deulofeu, Barry (felt unfair to call him "decent" after his first season),
Decent: Galloway, Kone, Besic
Not Good Enough: Alcaraz, Joel, Atsu
Why?
Shouldn't Have Let Go: Anichebe?
In summary, no, he shouldn't be sacked after one and a half seasons. If he has a really good run in the Europa, or even takes us to the final and wins it, I don't care if we finish 9th, 10th, 11th, Martinez will learn from it and know what he has to do in the Jan and the Summer to help us cope with the European demands (or lack of) next season. If we don't win the Europa, and we don't qualify for Europe at all, then next season we'll have less pressure and a chance to build, it could work in our favour like it has for United this season, or the RS last season.
The only reason he should be sacked is if we get relegated, or are in serious danger of being relegated by March/April time and desperate measures are needed, but we're Everton, and it won't come to that.
WHAT HE NEEDS TO DO:
STICK TO WHAT WORKS!
-Barkley or Naismith as number 10. Not Eto'o, not two or even all 3 of them fighting for that space behind Lukaku.
-Mirallas and Coleman as a right sided pairing, works.
-Pienaar and Baines as a left sided pairing, works.
-Barkley playing deeper to accomodate Naismith, works. In a nutshell, play central players in the middle, and wide-men out-wide.
-Naismith as a false 9 with Mirallas and Lukaku wide forwards - works against vulnerable full backs.
-Lukaku as an impact sub, just because he was £28 mil doesnt mean he should start every single week, he's 21!
-Play wingers infront of Baines and Coleman. They are our biggest creative outlet and are being stifled by lack of support/cover.
-STONES
RE-BUILD
Distin's way passed it, Alcaraz isn't good enough, Pienaar, Osman, Hibbert, all just not quite up to it anymore, although I still think Pienaar can be effective. All need replacements that are first-team ready.
Stop handing out contracts based on loyalty and base them on performance.
And most important, LISTEN TO THE FANS! There's a lot of mis-interpretation about the boo's and the "impatient" Goodison crowd.
WE ARE NOT ASKING FOR LONG BALL TACTICS, WE'RE JUST SICK OF SEEING ATTACKING FREE KICKS GETTING PASSED BACK TO DISTIN THEN TO HOWARD! SICK OF SEEING SHORT CORNERS COME TO NOTHING, AND CROSSES FAILING TO BEAT THE FIRST MAN. WE'RE SICK OF BEING A GOAL DOWN IN THE LAST MINUTE AND STILL PLAYING WITH NO URGENCY!
PLAY IT FORWARD, PASS AND MOVE! SEE LAST YEARS PERFORMANCES FOR REMINDERS ON HOW TO DO THIS!
Zatara
Player Valuation: £100m
Distin = Shot to bits
Alcaraz = Always injured
Jagielka = Not good on the ball
Stones = Class
Browning = Needs games
Galloway = Needs games
Basically we only have Stones who is good enough at the moment to play this system and bring the ball out.
If Van Dijk is available in Jan and Deulofeu in summer then sign them up in that order...
Alcaraz = Always injured
Jagielka = Not good on the ball
Stones = Class
Browning = Needs games
Galloway = Needs games
Basically we only have Stones who is good enough at the moment to play this system and bring the ball out.
If Van Dijk is available in Jan and Deulofeu in summer then sign them up in that order...
For evidence of Jags being an absolute bottle job, see him know where to be seen when Costa winds up Coleman in the Chelsea match at home.
Jags just walks past him as if nothing happened.
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