Silly Season January 2014

[davek]

Unlike when Moyes was in charge, Simple mathematics suggedt there is money available. Martinez is on record as saying so repeatedly. Or are you suggesting he is fibbing to cover the board?

My reasoning is 'if it looks like a cat it's a cat'. It looks like we have money but the manager is wary of wasting it so I'll take that as the situation. Your reasoning seems to be 'if it looks like a cat then that must be the board's evil hand at work' ;-)

NB aren't we one player up since 1st Jan? Traore and McGeady likely to play more minutes than Jela would?

Wasn't Moyes told that the money was there for Fer/Negredo last January? Did you believe it when the window shut? And did you believe it when the next transfer window opened and kenwright announced that Martinez had the "Fellaini money plus a few bob" and the Fer/Negredo money evaporated and that window also turned into a player trade surplus?

Do you really believe that money coming in now is earmarked for fees and wages?

Really? I'd say you dont learn too much from experience.

 

[Jay]

Don't be fooled mate, that's the disguise for the usual tactics from Everton in a transfer window.

Fellaini, £60k a week, moved on. Neville, £45-50k a week, moved on. Anichebe was on around £25k.

We brought in Kone, McCarthy and Robles - I'd be surprised if their wages even approached Fellaini's in total.

And who is paying the wages of Lukaku, Barry, Traore and Deulofeu?

 

[MartSlinger]

Vucinic if Osvaldo goes to Juve please Roberto.

 

[ah11984]

Weren't we told Martinez would get a "few quid to spend" last summer in addition to sales? Seeing as we had a negative net spend in that summer window, i guess we're saving that until this summer too!! come on, some of you need to stop being so naive.

 

[davek]

Eminently sensible. You don't want to admit you have £10 million to splurge on deadline day. Plead poverty, drive a bargain.

Not that this viewpoint is commonly held amongst those melting down on here.

 

[wiggum23]

In disbelief at the last few posts... apparently Heitinga's wages for five months are enough to stop us reinforcing and pushing for a Champions League place... And that's actually a case of "fair enough".

Bizarre. It's defending the indefensible. You're talking about £1m or so in wages. We should have £20m in the bank from transfers alone, and we freed up Fellaini and Neville's wages in the summer and didn't replace them with anything near the same expenditure.

It's laughable really, if we have money, which RM and Alan Myers says we have, why is it dependent on Heitinga? The truth is, it's because we haven't go the money and need to move the wage bill and the small amount we'll get for him to bring a loan in.

He can't be happy with the squad, we have 2 unfit strikers, one of which has never played in the league before. We are 4points of 4th FFS!

 

[toffeeblue9]

In disbelief at the last few posts... apparently Heitinga's wages for five months are enough to stop us reinforcing and pushing for a Champions League place... And that's actually a case of "fair enough".

Bizarre. It's defending the indefensible. You're talking about £1m or so in wages. We should have £20m in the bank from transfers alone, and we freed up Fellaini and Neville's wages in the summer and didn't replace them with anything near the same expenditure.

Since the end of last season, we have had the following happen in the first team picture:

Out

Moyes & his staff
Fellaini
Jelavic
Anichebe
Hitzlsperger
Neville
Mucha

In

Martinez & his staff
Kone
Robles
Alcaraz
McCarthy
Barry
Deulofeu
Lukaku
McGeady
Traore

And also a double-your-money new contract for Leighton Baines

Is it really a stretch to believe that we haven't increased the wages to at least the level they were at before Moyes left?

Seriously, ignore the transfer fees we've recouped for a moment, how do you suppose this gets paid? It accounts for the vast, vast majority of our income every year

 

[davek]

In disbelief at the last few posts... apparently Heitinga's wages for five months are enough to stop us reinforcing and pushing for a Champions League place... And that's actually a case of "fair enough".

Bizarre. It's defending the indefensible. You're talking about £1m or so in wages. We should have £20m in the bank from transfers alone, and we freed up Fellaini and Neville's wages in the summer and didn't replace them with anything near the same expenditure.

Trolls and fools mate, trolls and fools.

 

[Eggs]

......Czech 17 year old goalie called Stanek rumoured for £200k.

 

[Ashtonluke]

I do feel there is money to spend. Martinez has decided to wait. That's his choice. He is here for the long term and obviously feels it serves the interests of the club best. Now the question of course is how much he has to spend and I think that this is where forensic analysis of the spending will be required. We will only be able to do that at the end of the summer.

At the end of the last window we brought in £27.5m for felli and £6m for Vic. £33.5m. We spent £13m on mccarthy and then brought in barry and lukaku on loan. I bet we wouldn't have got much change out of 7 or 8 million for those two in loan fees and wages. Let's say £7m so £20m spent in total on the last day. Leaves £13.5m.

We have then since sold jelavic for £7m so that increases the monies in less players out to £20.5m.

Mcgeady came in for a nominal fee- not sure how much. We will have paid a loan fee for traore but not much.

There is a decent amount of money there just from player trading. Now we add in the new tv money.

I have no doubt there is money there to be spent.

The manager clearly has a strategy for the summer and prefers to wait. My personal thought is that he will make an attempt to get Lukaku which is why he is waiting.

We will see what the summer brings but today is not going to be the day where we splash any cash we have.

Martinez is a clever guy and I am certain he has a master plan.

 

[Tubey]

And who is paying the wages of Lukaku, Barry, Traore and Deulofeu?

Half us, half the players club, or thereabouts.

They aren't permanent players so I don't count them as long term expenditure where the books have to balanced on the lengths of their contracts. There wages are essentially transfer fees on the books.

If you sign a player on a five year contract, you take on board the yearly salary for accounting purposes.

Fact is, when the summer comes, in the space of 12 months we'd have moved on £170k a week approx. in wages off the books and brought in, what, optimistically £110k. So long term we're already down on wages, disregarding TV money which should cause a natural inflation and other factors.

Yet we're dependent on moving out a player with five months left on a contract to free up the liquidity for a loan?

Something stinks. If Martinez has identified a player this window, there is no excuse whatsoever he shouldn't be able to have him in regardless of a Dutch mercenaries actions.

£20m in the bank and we're held to ransom on our European ambitions over a single players five month contract...

 

[larrygobfiend]

......Czech 17 year old goalie called Stanek rumoured for £200k.

The league is all ours!!!!!

 

[toffeeblue9]

Half us, half the players club, or thereabouts.

They aren't permanent players so I don't count them as long term expenditure where the books have to balanced on the lengths of their contracts. There wages are essentially transfer fees on the books.

If you sign a player on a five year contract, you take on board the yearly salary for accounting purposes.

Fact is, when the summer comes, in the space of 12 months we'd have moved on £170k a week approx. in wages off the books and brought in, what, optimistically £110k. So long term we're already down on wages, disregarding TV money which should cause a natural inflation and other factors.

Yet we're dependent on moving out a player with five months left on a contract to free up the liquidity for a loan?

Something stinks. If Martinez has identified a player this window, there is no excuse whatsoever he shouldn't be able to have him in regardless of a Dutch mercenaries actions.

£20m in the bank and we're held to ransom on our European ambitions over a single players five month contract...

I'd be interested to know how you came up with that

 

[davek]

I do feel there is money to spend. Martinez has decided to wait. That's his choice. He is here for the long term and obviously feels it serves the interests of the club best. Now the question of course is how much he has to spend and I think that this is where forensic analysis of the spending will be required. We will only be able to do that at the end of the summer.

At the end of the last window we brought in £27.5m for felli and £6m for Vic. £33.5m. We spent £13m on mccarthy and then brought in barry and lukaku on loan. I bet we wouldn't have got much change out of 7 or 8 million for those two in loan fees and wages. Let's say £7m so £20m spent in total on the last day. Leaves £13.5m.

We have then since sold jelavic for £7m so that increases the monies in less players out to £20.5m.

Mcgeady came in for a nominal fee- not sure how much. We will have paid a loan fee for traore but not much.

There is a decent amount of money there just from player trading. Now we add in the new tv money.

I have no doubt there is money there to be spent.

The manager clearly has a strategy for the summer and prefers to wait. My personal thought is that he will make an attempt to get Lukaku which is why he is waiting.

We will see what the summer brings but today is not going to be the day where we splash any cash we have.

Martinez is a clever guy and I am certain he has a master plan.

Oh, he'll spend alright mate, no question.

There's also no question that we'll sell.

It's....how would the club put it?.......IN OUR DNA

 

[TheFinnFan]

Oh Johnny...what have you done.