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Sir Landon Of Donovan

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Artetafan said:
Geoff Cameron is the perfect example of what I'm talking about.

It's never ambitious to play for stoke. Never.
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I'll disagree and side with EFC NY on Cameron and Shea. Who knows what these guys will turn into? If they have a chance to be great, they've likely got a better chance to develop (even at Stoke) than at their prior clubs, Dynamo and FCD. Some guys need a better environment to push them to their ceiling. Dempsey seems to have done well, and I expect the added pressure of a bigger club has helped his development.
 
Bungle said:
Slightly better than average player that once had a decent loan spell with us, who cares what he's now doing? How many top quality footballers say they've lost interest/passion for the game and go on a 3 month holiday?
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... but when he came back he started playing some of the best football of his career. I'd rather Jela had gone away for three months and come back and been awesome for the rest of the season than he stay for nine months and be horrible the entire time. LD knew what he needed, did it and it worked. Seems like a positive in many ways. Many good players go through year long spells of being poor and spend that time actually playing instead of going off to get their head straight. It's unconventional for sure but if you've seen him play lately it's hard to argue with the results.
 
Artetafan said:
He has scored five world cup goals, like.

Surely the main problem with the argument that the MLS is an awful league is that most of the american national team that has reached the knock out stages of 3 of the last 5 world cups and one quarter final were based there.

They've beaten and out performed teams who are staffed with players exclusively from the top leagues so they can't be that bad.
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Yes, the US do make the knockout stages but they have an easy qualification trail to it. but yes fair play to them they seem to always squeeze into the knockout rounds and you have to be honest they had quite a bit of luck in a couple of those world cups.

In any case, i am not knocking the US national team nor am i knocking Donovan in fact i said he was a very good player but you cannot deny that the medal tally Donovan has accumulated was in a weak league and a sub standard international tournament were they are expected to at least make the final and play Mexico.

Also most of those world cups that they made the knockouts consisted of players playing for the US who were based outside of the US and who didn't ply their trade in the MLS. in 2010 18 of the US players played outside of the US, 2006 half of the team played outside, 2002 half again. I could go on.

My main point is he has never proven himself on the main stage club wise never battled against the best consistently and day after day and that's a real shame.
 
steveojcc said:
Yes, the US do make the knockout stages but they have an easy qualification trail to it. but yes fair play to them they seem to always squeeze into the knockout rounds and you have to be honest they had quite a bit of luck in a couple of those world cups.

In any case, i am not knocking the US national team nor am i knocking Donovan in fact i said he was a very good player but you cannot deny that the medal tally Donovan has accumulated was in a weak league and a sub standard international tournament were they are expected to at least make the final and play Mexico.

Also most of those world cups that they made the knockouts consisted of players playing for the US who were based outside of the US and who didn't ply their trade in the MLS. in 2010 18 of the US players played outside of the US, 2006 half of the team played outside, 2002 half again. I could go on.

My main point is he has never proven himself on the main stage club wise never battled against the best consistently and day after day and that's a real shame.
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That is really the point we should all take. Regardless of the reasons, it's a damn shame he didn't stick around after 2010, regardless of the reasons.
 
steveojcc said:
Yes, the US do make the knockout stages but they have an easy qualification trail to it. but yes fair play to them they seem to always squeeze into the knockout rounds and you have to be honest they had quite a bit of luck in a couple of those world cups.

In any case, i am not knocking the US national team nor am i knocking Donovan in fact i said he was a very good player but you cannot deny that the medal tally Donovan has accumulated was in a weak league and a sub standard international tournament were they are expected to at least make the final and play Mexico.

Also most of those world cups that they made the knockouts consisted of players playing for the US who were based outside of the US and who didn't ply their trade in the MLS. in 2010 18 of the US players played outside of the US, 2006 half of the team played outside, 2002 half again. I could go on.

My main point is he has never proven himself on the main stage club wise never battled against the best consistently and day after day and that's a real shame.
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And that's the reason he will never be rated by anybody other than The USA and some Everton fans...
 

I think you can talk about ambition all you want, but you should remember that in his "prime" years (2006-2010) he was married to a Hollywood star and you can't blame him for not wanting to leave that. (started dating in 2002 apparently, yes i looked it up on whosdatingwho)

Most of us men here know the problems that relationships with women can bring and I can only imagine how tough it would be telling her you're going to be in another country for 10 months out of a year. (And no way is she going to leave hollywood for merseyside to do adverts for John West tinned tuna)

In my opinion, he hasn't re-signed for the MLS for a reason and its cuz he's on his way somewhere else and I gotta think that he hopes its here at Everton. He'll be as free a transfer as he'll ever get. I just hope Roberto rates him enough to have him in. I've watched him over the last few weeks and there are very few clubs he wouldn't help out.
 

Hellerad said:
That is really the point we should all take. Regardless of the reasons, it's a damn shame he didn't stick around after 2010, regardless of the reasons.
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He should've done but didn't. He made a difference to us both times.

I liked him but we really must look forward and move on.
 
It's quite likely that Everton will play the Galaxy in the upcoming preseason tourney. We'll see how much of a quality gap there is then. Sure it's preseason, but some here talk like MLS is far below the Finnish Veikkausliiga. Take this for example. At the last World Cup when the US played England, the US fielded 9 players either in MLS or with MLS roots. 4 were still in MLS with Holden just having moved to Bolton and the rest had started their careers there. England played with strictly premier league players. The final score was 1-1. Why did England not dismantle the US who were fielding players many of you claim play in an amateur league?

MLS is far behind the likes of Premier League, La Liga, Serie A, and the Bundesliga. It's not even close. However, the league isn't as bad as many of you say, and it produces some real quality from time to time.
 
So just so we all know, Donovan is a potential Ballon D'Or Winner is he ?

or bottled it when he had the chance ? I still have pics for him to sign like from his debut for us 1st time round.
 
carolinablue232 said:
It's quite likely that Everton will play the Galaxy in the upcoming preseason tourney. We'll see how much of a quality gap there is then. Sure it's preseason, but some here talk like MLS is far below the Finnish Veikkausliiga. Take this for example. At the last World Cup when the US played England, the US fielded 9 players either in MLS or with MLS roots. 4 were still in MLS with Holden just having moved to Bolton and the rest had started their careers there. England played with strictly premier league players. The final score was 1-1. Why did England not dismantle the US who were fielding players many of you claim play in an amateur league?

MLS is far behind the likes of Premier League, La Liga, Serie A, and the Bundesliga. It's not even close. However, the league isn't as bad as many of you say, and it produces some real quality from time to time.
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if it were that good you'd show little interest in the Prem.

Cahill, legend that he is was it's fair to say starting to struggle over here, yet he seems to be quite refreshed in NY, why's that do you think ?
 
Reidy's Bottle Of Grecian said:
if it were that good you'd show little interest in the Prem.

Cahill, legend that he is was it's fair to say starting to struggle over here, yet he seems to be quite refreshed in NY, why's that do you think ?
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Are you saying you don't follow La Liga or the Budndesliga? Also, did I say MLS was that good? No. I said it wasn't that bad. I've watched the league for the last 10 years, and it's grown from a very cr@p league to a very decent league that has some real quality players. Answer me now. If it's that bad of quality, why are these players able to compete internationally against the best of England and not get absolutely pummeled?

Cahill has done well, but he hasn't stood out. MLS is much much easier than the prem. No one is arguing its anywhere near that quality. It doesn't have to be an extreme one way or another. It's a nice mid-level league that seemingly gets better every year.
 

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