Squad Assessment going into the Summer

[Azzurri]

Rodwell (20) CM - Young English international. A load of potential but has yet to deliver. Needs a manager and coach capable of working on his psychology and aggression. Needs to **** off pronto therefore before Moyes ruins him.
Osman (30) CAM/CM - An abomination of a premier league player. Can't pass, tackle, retain the ball or run. Gives excellent head.
Felliani (24) - CM/CDM One of the best players at the club and in the league. He is young and tied down to a long term contract. Excellent talent even in the absence of any visible coaching or tactics from the manager.
Coleman (23) RM/RB - makeshift RM. Overall good player and potentially (hopefully) a future at RB.
Barkley (18) CAM - He is lacking in experience as a result of being disappeared the last couple months. Needs to take lessons from Osman in blowing the boss.
Gueye (21) LW - Very very average and unlikely to improve given the complete absence of coaching and guidance at EFC

So much wrongness in the bolded parts my eyes hurt. Really, what an awful post.

Osman might not be the biggest or fastest and he can't shoot but he puts a shift in every game and his ball control, passing and ball retention is probably the best at the club alongside Pienaar. Plus he doesn't need to tackle when used behind the striker. David Silva can't. He should be in our starting 11 every week so to suggest he's an abomination of a Premier League footballer is so wrong.

Plus Seamus Coleman is the opposite of good. He might make a right back in future but at the moment he's crap.

However, they're just opinions so I can accept that, but to suggest no coaching is given to the players is the most ludicrous thing I've heard in my life.

 

[paulbefc]

I'm pretty sure LCAB said that he'd definitely coming back for the price they paid us? I'd believe that tbh. Pienaar won't want to stay imo so.

Hope we get a fee for Yobo, weren't they not willing to pay up though because of some match fixing scandal?

It'd be mighty nice to get decent coin for a player who may as well not have been here for the last 2 years, like, so hopefully.

 

[RFUS]

Have a go all you want but....

Sell Fellaini.

Hes the only one worth big money, we need to pay the bank and buy players.

Diame from Wigan is a free to replace him.

Awful thought but...

Pragmatic and decent post.

We need money badly. The RW and playmaker holes will ensure our continued offensive bluntness and harm us more than weakening our DM position.

Yes Felli is truly immense (best DM in the league for me) but Diame is a very good player and would be a competent replacement. Wigan are surely going down too. Replacing Felli with a bosman could leave us £20m+ to play with. That is potentially massive.

We'd miss Marouane for sure but our offensive and creative problems outweigh our defensive ones. In an ideal world we'd be able to keep him and still buy the players we need... But nothing about Everton in 2012 is ideal.

*sigh

 

[paulbefc]

So much wrongness in the bolded parts my eyes hurt. Really, what an awful post.

Osman might not be the biggest or fastest and he can't shoot but he puts a shift in every game and his ball control, passing and ball retention is probably the best at the club alongside Pienaar. Plus he doesn't need to tackle when used behind the striker. David Silva can't. He should be in our starting 11 every week so to suggest he's an abomination of a Premier League footballer is so wrong.

Plus Seamus Coleman is the opposite of good. He might make a right back in future but at the moment he's crap.

However, they're just opinions so I can accept that, but to suggest no coaching is given to the players is the most ludicrous thing I've heard in my life.

Agree with this. Osman is a good, solid, well rounded player. I guess that's down to the great coaching and guidance he has had from Everton. That's why he's played at the top level for 7 years straight. He has quality. Coleman rarely shows any, unfortunately.

 

[billycopper]

which is my point.

Problem is, there's only Barkley that moyes will let near the first team...so were still a winger/s and striker short

Drenthe won't sign. Pienaar will be at spurs under new management. Back to the drawing board.

But with the likes of nev, hibbo, and Vic still breathin...i suppose thats a "squad"

Moyes logic dictates that Jelavic will play every game that he's fit with Cahill in behind him and Straq as a deputy. The only use that he'd have for extra strikers would be to throw on when we're chasing the game. Vic and Vellios are in a similar mould to what we already have in that they're big and strong but not especially quick or nimble. I expect that Kalou will either sign for Arsenal or go abroad, but he's sufficiently different to what we currently have to confuse defenders.

Say we do get Pienaar back again and that Drenthe does sign, Davey will say that we've got Peanuts, Royston, Coleman, Gueye, Osman and Barkley who can play out wide, so we're well-stocked. It sounds like the dutchman is fairly settled with us. It will depend whether he's willing to take a big pay cut, I suppose.

I think that Redknapp might do as he did when he was offered the Newcastle job and put his family first. In which case, they're after Eden Hazard, so Pienaar will have even less chance of a game. 'Arry possibly bought him just to weaken us. Now they need to decide whether to keep paying his wages without playing him or to cut him loose.

Moyes has always worked better with a small group of players. We don't need to carry a 25 man squad. We just need options to change a game and enough bodies to cover for our annual injury period.

 

[The Equaliser]

The idea of selling Fellaini is utter lunacy. You don't sell your best players, even if the money is re-invested in the squad. Unless it was ridiculous money which is unlikely to happen.

Coleman getting unfair stick again. He's not a brilliant right-winger because he was never meant to be one. He's only doing a job there, although it's been for too long at this stage. Remember, apart from when Donovan was here his predecessor in that position was Osman, which never worked. Get him at RB for the start of next season with Drenthe/A.N. Other at RM.

 

[paulbefc]

Awful thought but...

Pragmatic and decent post.

We need money badly. The RW and playmaker holes will ensure our continued offensive bluntness and harm us more than weakening our DM position.

Yes Felli is truly immense (best DM in the league for me) but Diame is a very good player and would be a competent replacement. Wigan are surely going down too. Replacing Felli with a bosman could leave us £20m+ to play with. That is potentially massive.

We'd miss Marouane for sure but our offensive and creative problems outweigh our defensive ones. In an ideal world we'd be able to keep him and still buy the players we need... But nothing about Everton in 2012 is ideal.

*sigh

Surely we don't have to sell Fellaini yet? We have Rodwell and Yobo who could be shifted. I think Felli is just too much of a rare gem to be sold now. When we play well, he is ALWAYS at the heart of it. I'd be loathe to let that go. Diame is a good player but half the player Felli is, for me. Big, big risk. Could work but I think Felli is nigh on irreplaceable.

 

[billycopper]

I think in readiness for the '6 + 5' rule coming in the bigger clubs are stocking up on home-grown players, which would make Rodwell more valuable. I don't understand the problem that people have with him. His partnership with Fellaini looks very solid and he's shown in bursts that he can be a threat going forward. However, if we are forced to sacrifice him, Gibson is a ready-made replacement.

 

[harry]

The squad doesn't need major surgery.

Goalkeepers- Mucha is pointless. We may as well have Hahneman as the senior reserve and bring in someone younger and on less money.

Defence- We're well covered at rightback for Pip's eventual retirement. Distin has got at least another year in him. We could do with a deputy for Baines until Garbutt or Bidwell are ready to step up. Maybe Figueroa or Pranjic on a free?

Midfield- Tie Drenthe down. Hopefully get Pienaar back on another season-long loan. If we're lucky, we can get enough for Yobo to pay Blackburn's compensation for Hoilett.

Strikers- I'd expect Straq to sign for a nominal fee. I'd personally like to see Kalou come in on a bosman. We'll have enough bodies but we could do with more variety and goal threat.

Young lads like Duffy, Barkley, Vellios and Baxter should fill out the squad a bit more and we could pick up another couple of loans or freebies. There isn't an awful lot of dead wood left to get rid of.

I don't think we are mate, all we have is an ageing hibbert who just isn't good enough and coleman who hasn't played right back in the premiership. (a couple of cameo appearances). We should have been playing coleman more so he could slot in.

Left back: i agree, if baines is injured we are fcuked.

CB: I woiuld be playing Duffy now.

Midfield: drenthe will not stay, not sure if we will get pienaar and in my opinion we will only have Barkley for one season.

Strikers: we have one efective goal scorer in jelavic i dont think the rest will make it. strac runs a lot.

Watching us on Saturday, i am worried about our squad.

 

[kenada_blue]

I think in readiness for the '6 + 5' rule coming in the bigger clubs are stocking up on home-grown players, which would make Rodwell more valuable. I don't understand the problem that people have with him. His partnership with Fellaini looks very solid and he's shown in bursts that he can be a threat going forward. However, if we are forced to sacrifice him, Gibson is a ready-made replacement.

To get the best out of him, he needs someone who will sit behind him.

Felli doesn't do that, they both alternate. And Fellis defensive skills and position skills are better at the moment than rodwells at doing that. Yet, I feel rodwell has more to offer forward than felli.

 

[kenada_blue]

I don't think we are mate, all we have is an ageing hibbert who just isn't good enough and coleman who hasn't played right back in the premiership. (a couple of cameo appearances). We should have been playing coleman more so he could slot in.

Left back: i agree, if baines is injured we are fcuked.

CB: I woiuld be playing Duffy now.

Midfield: drenthe will not stay, not sure if we will get pienaar and in my opinion we will only have Barkley for one season.

Strikers: we have one efective goal scorer in jelavic i dont think the rest will make it. strac runs a lot.

Watching us on Saturday, i am worried about our squad.

Have to agree

 

[billycopper]

I don't think we are mate, all we have is an ageing hibbert who just isn't good enough and coleman who hasn't played right back in the premiership. (a couple of cameo appearances). We should have been playing coleman more so he could slot in.

Left back: i agree, if baines is injured we are fcuked.

CB: I woiuld be playing Duffy now.

Midfield: drenthe will not stay, not sure if we will get pienaar and in my opinion we will only have Barkley for one season.

Strikers: we have one efective goal scorer in jelavic i dont think the rest will make it. strac runs a lot.

Watching us on Saturday, i am worried about our squad.

Right back isn't a priority area for us though. We could even play Jags there, if we needed to. I don't have any pressing concerns about that position.

Hopefully it will work just right that we can phase Duffy in as we're phasing Distin out. Dier and Hammar look good for the future as well, but we could probably do with picking up a bosman or a loan to give us an extra bit of senior cover when Sylvain eventually hangs up his boots.

I think you're overly pessimistic about our midfield options. Drenthe wants to be in England. He's too erratic for the big boys, so he's probably found his level with us. It was nice to see Heitinga putting his arm round him when he messed up on Saturday. That relationship could count for something. The signs seem to be in favour of Piennar staying. Barkley has maybe been over-hyped. At the moment it looks like there is no pressure to sell, so we could see him develop with us.

Given his potential price, I think Moyes will take Straq as a squad man. Davey isn't going to bring in loads of forwards because he only ever plays one at a time. We could do with someone to give us what he hoped to get from McFadden though.

I thought Saturday was a vast improvement on the derby. I think we've got at least 80% of the mix right. We could just do with some more flair and imagination either in the Cahill position or from one of the flanks.

 

[billycopper]

To get the best out of him, he needs someone who will sit behind him.

Felli doesn't do that, they both alternate. And Fellis defensive skills and position skills are better at the moment than rodwells at doing that. Yet, I feel rodwell has more to offer forward than felli.

I was surprised at how good Rodwell was on his England debut. If he could have stayed fit and built on those two performances, we might have seen a few managers reaching for their cheque book. They're both still young but, if they realise their potential, we will have one of the finest midfield pairings in the country on our hands. They could be akin to Petit and Vieira.

 

[Get_Jo_On]

Well I'd like to add Gueye doesn't look very very average, he looks devoid of confidence.
When he's looked confident, he's looked very promising but I think a few dodgy subs with 15mins to go whilst being comfortably beat have taken their toll. Different player in the ressies, full of nice touches and a fantastic left peg on him. It's not about the level so much, he just seems to freeze and lay it backward in the first team.

 

[kenada_blue]

I was surprised at how good Rodwell was on his England debut. If he could have stayed fit and built on those two performances, we might have seen a few managers reaching for their cheque book. They're both still young but, if they realise their potential, we will have one of the finest midfield pairings in the country on our hands. They could be akin to Petit and Vieira.

Thats what I felt. Up against internationals and looked a massive threat in a attacking role. So much to get out the kid.