Stadium Thread - ALL Kirkby/Stadium Discussion Here

[davek]

I for one will never watch Everton in another town. It amazes me that some supporters think that when other blues say this it's just a bit of posturing. It just wont be Everton anymore. It's easy to understand for me.

Fair play to the lads opposing Kirkby who will go there, like.

 

[gordonjblair]

5) Improve corporate relations. Advertising, sponsorship etc. Our Chang deal suggests we don't get the biggest bang for our buck in that department. A new stadium would offer more opportunities for advertising and commercial partnerships.

a new stadium would offer no more corporate opportunity than a redeveloped GP (unless you want, perhaps to hang hoardings off the side in the hope they can be seen from the motorway). The only short term revenue stream that you would be potentially denied is naming rights (at least until the first couple of stands are complete).

However, we seem to be missing a point. One of the main tenets of Band Management is to play on your strengths; this is especially the case when you're trying to actively sell your brand (i.e for naming rights, sponsorship etc). What we are known for, where our Brand is strong, if you like, is our passionate, local, native support and our long history and proud heritage (GP included).

It would be remiss of us to spunk the lions share of what our Brand stands for on the off-chance of a quick buck via the Tesco solution.

This, along with the Transport Farrago, is why the staged redevelopment of GP is a more sustainable, fitting solution for our pockets, our Brand, our potential sponsors and our customer base.

 

[coyney]

I agree entirely with what you say and if we move which looks likely will rue the day.and Kenwright will for ever be the villain in Everton folklore

 

[coyney]

I for one will never watch Everton in another town. It amazes me that some supporters think that when other blues say this it's just a bit of posturing. It just wont be Everton anymore. It's easy to understand for me.

Fair play to the lads opposing Kirkby who will go there, like.

When this was first sounded my reaction was the same I would not step foot in tesco drome then I was accused of not being willing to travel 4 miles to see a match ,despite having a season ticket for years and being a regular since 1958-59 and seeing roughly half the away games during that period. then I thought I'm spiting myself and decided I would go but with out a season ticket as I would not need one as there will be plenty of seats and also would not spend any extra cash there on drinks ect as giving cash to the guy that sold our home didn't sit right,now as I have missed more games then any year since I started going thouugh health problems I realise by the time we move my match going days will be over by then anyway but I think a lot will not go

 

[davek]

When this was first sounded my reaction was the same I would not step foot in tesco drome then I was accused of not being willing to travel 4 miles to see a match ,despite having a season ticket for years and being a regular since 1958-59 and seeing roughly half the away games during that period. then I thought I'm spiting myself and decided I would go but with out a season ticket as I would not need one as there will be plenty of seats and also would not spend any extra cash there on drinks ect as giving cash to the guy that sold our home didn't sit right,now as I have missed more games then any year since I started going thouugh health problems I realise by the time we move my match going days will be over by then anyway but I think a lot will not go

Sorry to hear about your health problems mate.

This place in Kirkby - if it ever gets built - will see the rise of "Nu-Everton" and supporters to match. I'll have no part of it. Good luck to them and their new venture. It wont be Everton FC though, despite what'll be written on their shirts.

 

[DENNIS STEVENS]

This notion of it creating just £10 million is just a cautious estimate I should think. Think about it.

If you ignore the executive boxes and just say 10,000 extra seats then that alone would bring in around £6 million a season just for those without any pies and beers on top. If you assume that because the new stadium won't be a [Poor language removed] hole with restricted views and decaying toilets you might find average ticket prices rise to reflect the better conditions. That would add a good few million to things.

Then you have the exec boxes, which considering they go for a few thousand per game will bring in a hefty sum. Will sponsorship of the new ground go up or down? I'd be amazed if it went down and it will quite probably go up. Retailing/catering concessions, better or worse than at Goodison? Again, surely that's some extra revenue both from retailers and supporters.

You see where we're going here? In business it's quite common to use scenarios when planning and I dare say Wyness is giving you lot the worst case scenario because you're such a bunch of moaning minnies

yes, i think wyness did say it was a conservative estimate, but if we are to have confidence that our ceo can deliver a new stadium then surely we should have confidence in his figure work. so if his estimate of £10 million is on the conservative side, what would be a more optimistic figure? - £12 or maybe even £15 million? even if we acheived additional revenue from the new stadium of £20 million, double the wyness estimate, an awful lot will be swallowed up in increased debt repayment charges & other additional costs from the new stadium. also, to acheive these figures the matchday experience has got to be worth the expense & time involved for supporters, or else they will cherry-pick the matches rather than be unduly incovenienced every other week or so. going the match should be a pleasure, not a chore, but the current plans for match day transport logistics don't sound very encouraging - hopefully the club will put a lot of work into getting this right .

by the way the worst case scenario theory hardly stands up when you consider all the exaggerated claims made at the time about the stadium being world class, etc. - i'm sure that wyness wanted to present the best plausible case for the new stadium so as to get that mandate.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

With some it's beginning to sound like you live just around the corner at the moment and can't be arsed to move four miles.

 

[gordonjblair]

With some it's beginning to sound like you live just around the corner at the moment and can't be arsed to move four miles.

to put it in context, the new ground should be easier for me to get to, what with me being stuck out in Warrington. The issue (at the risk of sounding like a stuck record) is the frankly slapdash transport Plan, the way things are looking, many of the inhabitants of Kirkby will take longer to get to the new ground than they currently take to get to GP... well except for the thousands expect to turn up by bicycle... you really couldn't make it up :blink:

oh... somebody did

 

[McBain]

I for one will never watch Everton in another town. It amazes me that some supporters think that when other blues say this it's just a bit of posturing. It just wont be Everton anymore. It's easy to understand for me.

Fair play to the lads opposing Kirkby who will go there, like.

Yeah itll be Kirkby United.

Or Tescos Thunderbirds.

Mate if you think like that then go and support someone else. Evertons all ticker, not bricks and mortar.

Youve supported em so long you should know that. We could play our friggin home games in Davy Jones Locker and Id still support em week in week out.

 

[modfather]

There's just too much happening outside for this stadium ti be built.

If the government do an inquiry, then the delay will spell the end of Everton's involvement with Tesco. We can't afford it as it is, and it will be even worse with a delay. I really don't think it's going to happen.

 

[davek]

Yeah itll be Kirkby United.

Or Tescos Thunderbirds.

Mate if you think like that then go and support someone else. Evertons all ticker, not bricks and mortar.

Youve supported em so long you should know that. We could play our friggin home games in Davy Jones Locker and Id still support em week in week out.

Sorry mate, but supporting a club is all about local pride for me. Everyone is welcome to support Everton - whether they're from Tuebrook or Timbuktu - but we are a Liverpool club. We move outside the city limits and it is game over (literally) for many of us. Kirkby people are as scouse as they come, no offence to them, but Kirkby isn't, never has been, and never will be in Liverpool. The people there who support us do so because they have Liverpool roots.

This might be *just* 4/5 miles away, but it's still franchising. If you dont believe that have a look at the documents from Knowsley MBC that are preparing Everton to be marketed as a Knowsley club and a complete overhaul of our identity. I agree with you. It is down to "ticker"...and they're preparing the way to jetison our heart and soul and history.

If that thing is ever built, that's it for me. No histrionics, no posturing. No matches.

 

[Dylan]

I hope nobody mentions to you that each time Everton has moved, it went outside the city limits!

 

[davek]

I hope nobody mentions to you that each time Everton has moved, it went outside the city limits!

That's a tired one Dylan. Boundaries were in flux at that point; they're fixed now and always will be for the forseeable.

Everton would be moving out of Liverpool for the next 100 years. But hey, we'd still be in the Liverpool City Region....with Warrington and Wrexham.

 

[Neiler]

That's a tired one Dylan. Boundaries were in flux at that point; they're fixed now and always will be for the forseeable.

Everton would be moving out of Liverpool for the next 100 years. But hey, we'd still be in the Liverpool City Region....with Warrington and Wrexham.

Im for anything with a silent b in its name its just sheiker!

 

[BlackToffee]

That's a tired one Dylan. Boundaries were in flux at that point; they're fixed now and always will be for the forseeable.

Everton would be moving out of Liverpool for the next 100 years. But hey, we'd still be in the Liverpool City Region....with Warrington and Wrexham.

I try and not get involved with these discussions as sometimes its like supporting different branches of the same religion, much like the Peoples Front of Judea.

My point is that boundaries are actually not fixed, and will not be fixed in the foreseeable future. The Boundary Commission almost placed Knowsley within the Boundary of liverpool - boundaries can be changed, and I for one really dont give a fig about political boundaries.