Summer Transfer Window 2017

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SerenityNigh said:
I think I understand how markets work. Plenty of players will be offered $$$ to play in China but turn it down. We don't know which ones until after the fact. Just because they're offering hella money doesn't conclude the matter.
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Try telling that to our fans demanding we throw money at players till they sign!
 

As much as I think Robles has improved, I still think we need better, if our aim is to get UCL.

Look at the quality in that position for sides above us - De Gea, Courtois, Lloris, Cech. City messed up with Bravo and its no surprise the RS are struggling now with the keepers they have, amongst other things.

The summer is our chance to make an impact in 3 or 4 key areas for signings, we have positions either where we have no adequate cover or are "making-do" when we shoudn't be. That has to be addressed.
 
brieverton said:
As much as I think Robles has improved, I still think we need better, if our aim is to get UCL.

Look at the quality in that position for sides above us - De Gea, Courtois, Lloris, Cech. City messed up with Bravo and its no surprise the RS are struggling now with the keepers they have, amongst other things.

The summer is our chance to make an impact in 3 or 4 key areas for signings, we have positions either where we have no adequate cover or are "making-do" when we shoudn't be. That has to be addressed.
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I think people are missing the point about Robles.
It is not about how good a goalkeeper he is at present. It is more about how good a goalkeeper he can become.
He has had a hard time of it at Everton, for a couple of seasons he was understudy to Tim Howard and probably rightly so.
Last season Howard was very poor, got injured was replaced by Robles who was a far better but was still replaced by Howard when fit.
This season RK signed Stekelnburg and played him as first choice until he got injured.
This time however, the manager has kept him in the team after Stekelenburg returned to fitness and that is all down to form and a growing confidence.

I think he has the potential to be a top quality keeper and he is still very young.
 
brieverton said:
As much as I think Robles has improved, I still think we need better, if our aim is to get UCL.

Look at the quality in that position for sides above us - De Gea, Courtois, Lloris, Cech. City messed up with Bravo and its no surprise the RS are struggling now with the keepers they have, amongst other things.

The summer is our chance to make an impact in 3 or 4 key areas for signings, we have positions either where we have no adequate cover or are "making-do" when we shoudn't be. That has to be addressed.
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Agree, just don't think Heaton is that much of an upgrade considering the fee that will be involved if we went for him.
 
Mikey_Fitzgerald said:
Just look at Burnley's results

How many wins would have been draws and how many draws would have been losses if they didn't have Heaton?

I'm confident you could find 10-15 points there that he's won them. Look at the Man United game at Old Trafford for instance. Would they have gotten a point without his amazing saves? I doubt it

I rate him massively, and have for a couple of seasons now

He's a top keeper
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Don't fall into that trap though mate, keepers at sides like that often appear way better as there constantly in action, different when they move to a much better club and lots have struggled when doing so due to a lot of other attributes being tested then
 

blueblue said:
I think people are missing the point about Robles.
It is not about how good a goalkeeper he is at present. It is more about how good a goalkeeper he can become.
He has had a hard time of it at Everton, for a couple of seasons he was understudy to Tim Howard and probably rightly so.
Last season Howard was very poor, got injured was replaced by Robles who was a far better but was still replaced by Howard when fit.
This season RK signed Stekelnburg and played him as first choice until he got injured.
This time however, the manager has kept him in the team after Stekelenburg returned to fitness and that is all down to form and a growing confidence.

I think he has the potential to be a top quality keeper and he is still very young.
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I don't ever see Robles being a top keeper

I think he'll be a decent one for a mid table PL side (which is essentially what we are currently) but I can't see him being keeper for a top table side (which is what we're aspiring to be)

If we want to be a top side then we need better. I'd be just fine with keeping him on the books as back up, but I think people are being overly optimistic to think he'll be any better than that for us

If Robles is still our first choice keeper next season it will be because we've failed in the transfer market

I'm happy for Joel that so many people are in his corner, as he seems a good bloke, but it's supremely misguided IMO, and I don't think it actually helps him in the long run, especially when apologists try to excuse things like his poor kicking. It doesn't get to the root of his flaws and essentially gives him a "free pass" for them. That happened with Deulofeu too, and how did that work out for him?

All just an opinion of course
 
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Mikey_Fitzgerald said:
I don't ever see Robles being a top keeper

I think he'll be a decent one for a mid table PL side (which is essentially what we are currently) but I can't see him being keeper for a top table side (which is what we're aspiring to be)

If we want to be a top side then we need better. I'd be just fine with keeping him on the books as back up, but I think people are being overly optimistic to think he'll be any better than that for us

If Robles is still our first choice keeper next season it will be because we've failed in the transfer market

I'm happy for Joel that so many people are in his corner, as he seems a good bloke, but it's supremely misguided IMO, and I don't think it actually helps him in the long run, especially when apologists try to excuse things like his poor kicking. It doesn't get to the root of his flaws and essentially gives him a "free pass" for them. That happened with Deulofeu too, and how did that work out for him?

All just an opinion of course
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I agree mikey.

He is very much an average keeper, 4th choice at Athletico when we signed him for buttons and most of the general public opinion so far has been based on him being 'better than howard' which is highly innaccurate of him overall.


At the time i remember him not facing too many actual shots neither which made him look better when he was making easy saves and the team stopped caving in in the run of draws we had. However he isn't a top keeper nor will he be one, it is the same ideas as you say about deloufeu, that it is blind belief in a player despite the evidence contrary. Not every youngish goalkeeper is going to be top class, some are only going to be back ups their career or first choice lower down, i believe robles is that.
 

Robles buys us time to find a better keeper. He is somewhere betwixt the Mignolets and the Llorises which won't kill us in games. He would be the perfect keeper to have for Europe as he has been reliable.
 
davek said:
These days they should have to prove themselves in either the CL or another good league to be bought by an ambitious PL club.
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The point I'm making is... you said that they had proved themselves "over here" meaning SPL... you said that you wouldn't buy from the Dutch league ..(because they're unproven) but you also said that the Dutch league is the equivalent of the SPL... so how can they be unproven in Dutch league and proven in SOL when both leagues are the same standard?

Your words not mine
 
Mikey_Fitzgerald said:
I have to disagree with that

Heaton is first team quality for a top side, Robles is back up at best
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Can't agree that Heaton is good enough for a top side, little to back that claim up. He's 31 soon and bar two seasons with Burnley his entire career has been in the Championship and below. He is the epitome of a mid table keeper, thats not knocking the lad, I just don't see he is anywhere near the level we need to be aiming for to replace Robles. We've seen for a number of years that we, like other clubs, have failed to recruit a top goalkeeper. Since Southall, Martyn was the only one that came close but he was too late in his career. We either need to getting a top young keeper on the cusp, like Butland and Coutrios a few years ago, or maybe Pickford now or like Spurs did with Lloris and Man U to a slightly lesser extent with De Gea attract a top established keeper.
 
marchy said:
Can't agree that Heaton is good enough for a top side, little to back that claim up. He's 31 soon and bar two seasons with Burnley his entire career has been in the Championship and below. He is the epitome of a mid table keeper, thats not knocking the lad, I just don't see he is anywhere near the level we need to be aiming for to replace Robles. We've seen for a number of years that we, like other clubs, have failed to recruit a top goalkeeper. Since Southall, Martyn was the only one that came close but he was too late in his career. We either need to getting a top young keeper on the cusp, like Butland and Coutrios a few years ago, or maybe Pickford now or like Spurs did with Lloris and Man U to a slightly lesser extent with De Gea attract a top established keeper.
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Martyn played in the second tier too (Indeed I think he was relegated from the Premier League as a Palace player)

Keepers come into their primes later in life than other players

And you also undersell the possibility that he could have left Burnley sooner but he didn't due to an affinity for the club

At 30 he could easily have 5-10 more years at the top level

Martyn was born in 1966 and still was great for us in 2005
 
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