Summer transfer window 2023

[windymiller]

Are saying we won’t do what I have said ?

No. Sadly.

 

[lurky]

Again, it's an oversimplification. I agree that phrases like turnovers are just a semantics change. But closing down was often disorganised. There is so much game analysis now that good clubs study for pressing triggers - e.g. when to close down, otherwise you are all over the place.

People like to make out that football isn't more technical now, but it is. That's not to say that the basic elements aren't the same.

And I still get royally annoyed by missing basics like stopping the cross etc.

Yep - if you throw enough scientists and coaches with degrees at the game it will become more technical. City for example clearly play an almost different sport to our 80s title winning sides.

But because as you say the basic elements are the same it is possible to simplify the game and focus on doing those basic building blocks really really well and have decent success. And that includes working players hard and getting them really fit.

The Brighton away game is your perfect example of that. It’s was a triumph of running really fast at the right moments.

 

[windymiller]

There’s a reason the likes of Roy Hodgson, Sean Dyche, Neil Warnock etc are able to come in to clubs who are struggling and are able to get good results.

Football these days have been made to seem a lot more complicated and technical than it needs to be, partly because the people consuming and running the game has changed massively. It used to be a much more working class, simple game. Nowadays there’s loads of middle class, rich, highly educated people who are applying their depth of knowledge to the game and making it so much more complex. There are obvious benefits to this - especially in terms of sports science and player welfare etc. but there’s also a hell of a lot of fluff and nonsense - overly technical and trendy terms for making it sound like the game has evolved hugely when in fact people have just relabelled something that was always done in the game with a more modern and trendy word.

Eg -
“pressing” = closing down
“turnovers”/“breakdowns” = giving the chuffing ball away
“Aerial Duels” = headers
“Progressive passing” = playing it forwards

The likes of Dyche get stick partly because they just keep it simple and use the older terminology for stuff that everyone still does under rebadged and trendier names.

Lampard was very much “new school” - constantly talking about “the idea” and using all this modern terminology. Dyche came in and kept things very much more simple and got us out of trouble.

If he thinks this style of pre season works best for this absolutely useless bunch of modern millionaire footballers, he has my blessing.

All three have taken clubs down.

 

[Noisy noise annoys]

Yes, it is likely we will sign a couple more free agents but it's also "obvious" that we'll see more departures. Are you confident that our squad will be better than last year's at
1. The Fulham game
2. The end of the window

Neither are "obvious" to anyone else. You've been horribly wrong for two of the last four windows so just saying things are "obvious" with no other explanation other than your blind optimism is redundant.

We will sign players, it is obvious. I have only got one window wrong - the last one, prior to that - always right.

Didnt you say we were going down?

 

[windymiller]

Yep - if you throw enough scientists and coaches with degrees at the game it will become more technical. City for example clearly play an almost different sport to our 80s title winning sides.

But because as you say the basic elements are the same it is possible to simplify the game and focus on doing those basic building blocks really really well and have decent success. And that includes working players hard and getting them really fit.

The Brighton away game is your perfect example of that. It’s was a triumph of running really fast at the right moments.

That's literally our only good performance in 2 years. When we do that more than once it can be used as evidence, reproducibility is key.

 

[lurky]

All three have taken clubs down.

And yet keep getting employed because more often than not they take teams up/keep them up

 

[windymiller]

We will sign players, it is obvious. I have only got one window wrong - the last one, prior to that - always right.

Didnt you say we were going down?

I see your sticking with just saying things are "obvious" without explanation. Just repeating it over and over like some sort of mantra. There really isn't much else to say then. You clearly see yourself as some sort of Christ-like figure, which fits your nonsensical persona.

 

[Tony’s Carp]

There will be signings, what we don’t want is a yet another repeat of going into the opening games of the season with doubts and discussions dominating the lack of incomings as each game passes. Last year in particular was a disgrace and gross negligence.

Obviously we should be targeting getting as many in as soon as possible to have them ready for the opening game but last year was a slightly different case because with the early start due to the WC we had 5 fixtures prior to the window closing whereas this season it's 3.

Doesn't really change what we should be aiming to do (get them in ASAP) but the reality is until the hard deadline is approaching clubs and agents will often take their time and try to force you to lose patience, which is why while no club wants to be leaving their business until close to the deadline so much business does come down to the final week. Like I said above it's a balancing act.

 

[Swartzy]

Would you take vardy on a two year contract?

I'm sure his wife would be jumping with joy with that possibility

 

[Furey1878]

All three have taken clubs down.

Moyes, Wenger and Klopp have taken teams down, mate. That's why we look at their whole body of work rather than cherry pick moments.

 

[windymiller]

And yet keep getting employed because more often than not they take teams up/keep them up

They keep getting employed because clubs lack imagination. The same way Allardyce keeps getting jobs.

 

[Noisy noise annoys]

I see your sticking with just saying things are "obvious" without explanation. Just repeating it over and over like some sort of mantra. There really isn't much else to say then. You clearly see yourself as some sort of Christ-like figure, which fits your nonsensical persona.

No mate! I say it is obvious cos it really is! We have let lots of players go and were short already. Whether loans or whatever we will sign players. Now, get back to your constant doom life you seem to revel in.

 

[dutchblue54]

Keane now proving a double liability..

he couldnt even score in open play against a second division Swiss team FFS.
although he did look a bit sharper i must say with another striker with him. Still not good enough though. Really needs to move to a lesser (less fast) league

 

[MikeH72]

Preferably some 20 year old we've never heard of from Japan or South Korea

If only we ever thought about doing this. Far more likely to blow £20m on Che Adams because he’s “Premier League proven”.

 

[CielosGrises]

Almost feel sorry for Dyche, if he ends up with the squad that it seems - he's not exactly being set up for success is he ?

I trust him to make a fist of it, but I'll be sorry to see him go if he is the latest manager to get scapegoated for our financial / recruitment rubbish.