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Summer transfer window 2023

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catcherintherye said:
Clubs do fleece each other, it's part of the game.

But honestly a number of these top 6/7 teams seem to have lost the plot recently. If we got over 80m for Onana it would be fantastic. I think your strategy is correct, namely charge 100m and they may pay it.

Caicedo is never a 115m player.
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None of these players are. Bellingham, Rice, Caicedo, Grealish etc. none of them are prime Zidane are they? Luka Modric could still toy with all of them at walking pace and he’s 10 years past his prime. These players are good clearly but I just don’t see world class players there.

England should be absolutely dominating at international level moving forward with Rice Bellingham Foden Grealish but I’d wager that any decent opposition midfield from a top European or South American nation will easily keep ball from them at the next intentional tournament as soon as the knockouts get underway. I just don’t see it with these players.
 
Dwight K Schrute said:
Hmmm.

For starters has that guy ever got anything right? Might have been the first to call our Kudus approach tbf, but I can't remember.

Also, I'm not convinced by Beto. Yes, he is way better than Adams but he isn't great. He is never going to be more than an 8 to 10 goal a season striker in the PL, whereas if we sign younger, more talented players they might exceed it. He is like a foreign and more skilled version of the likes of Wood and Ashley Barnes who will facilitate the way Dyche wants to play, but we would be left with no variation in our forward players then. We'd just have 3 big lads in DCL, Chermitti and Beto.

Given his age, the fact he's not great (he's okay) and our lack of money, the obligation is really worrying. An option would be much better.
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Ten goals would be fine thank you.
 
Tony’s Carp said:
Not sure about the flat 442. He’s unlikely to play two outright strikers so variety is not so important, you want consistency in the main 9’s role even if the name changes.

Who plays off the striker is the next important thing. I suspect Gnonto playing off the target man would be in the thinking.
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If we sign Beto and DCL is fit, it will be 4-4-2.

But yes, if DCL isn't fit, we might see some variety.
 
Dwight K Schrute said:
Was hoping for a bit of growth or development from Dyche though. A flat 4-4-2 doesn't really cut it in the modern game and the signing of Beto means that's what we'll be playing. We'll just end up a slightly better Burnley if we're not careful.

None of Beto, DCL or Chermiti are super effective at travelling with the ball (that's not to say they have no pace though) so it will mean just pumping the ball into them. A player like Ekitike or even Daka would give us more counter-attacking opportunities too.
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Daka is absolutely pony though and can’t get in a Championship side.
 

Dwight K Schrute said:
Hmmm.

For starters has that guy ever got anything right? Might have been the first to call our Kudus approach tbf, but I can't remember.

Also, I'm not convinced by Beto. Yes, he is way better than Adams but he isn't great. He is never going to be more than an 8 to 10 goal a season striker in the PL, whereas if we sign younger, more talented players they might exceed it. He is like a foreign and more skilled version of the likes of Wood and Ashley Barnes who will facilitate the way Dyche wants to play, but we would be left with no variation in our forward players then. We'd just have 3 big lads in DCL, Chermitti and Beto.

Given his age, the fact he's not great (he's okay) and our lack of money, the obligation is really worrying. An option would be much better.
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Not blown away but not the worst signing. Think something in this following Dyche comments yesterday was hoping Dia from those comments but looks like it could be Beto
 
catcherintherye said:
Oh without doubt, selling young players for big money is a good ploy, and lets face it he is very sellable. I think the club and the market probably felt to get to a say £70m valuation they needed another consistent year from him. I do wonder if the madness of this summer, and particularly the last few weeks has blown that open though, and they feel their could be a big offer coming. I don't think we would ever be in the position to turn it down, but we certainly aren't currently.

United have just paid 75m for a striker who scored 9 goals last season. It's just crazy season, and probably why the club is sensible targetting other young players who they could slip.

The thing with Onana is as well, like if he went, we are not desparate for a replacement either. Garner, Gana could play in there, Doucoure could drop back and you could shift Iwobi inside. So you have 4 options for 2 positions. At a push Godfrey could fill in. I'm not saying we don't sign anyone, but we are probably best covered for that position.
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Absolutely mate im on board with pragmatism and looking at players as investments Broad stroks though and strategically, I personally think we need to be in a position where we are not or rather less vulnerable when selling. Like it or not at the moment our profile is one where there narrative is of financially strapped Everton, as such clubs are going to low ball us or try and take our better players as they will think we will have to sell them, that inievatbly will chip away at an asking price - we prob need to do what we did with Lescott on a few deals to counter that. We probably need to turn down a big offer or look some what stable for a season or so to counter that - before clubs may make top offers for our players. Sad, but i think thats a realistic appraisal. Spurs in particular with Richarlison and Danjuma have given our reputation a kicking, which was followed by the Gordon deal. We need to recover our reputation n the market.

Agree if he was sold this season we would be ok, you'd prob go out and get that lad from Denmark or Wharton who looks a talent - i do feel there is more appreciation in Onana though. When you look at next summer though - we only presently have two Centre midfielders in contract and one is Onana and the other is Garner - its why i say next summer is going to need a big investment.
 

Dwight K Schrute said:
Was hoping for a bit of growth or development from Dyche though. A flat 4-4-2 doesn't really cut it in the modern game and the signing of Beto means that's what we'll be playing. We'll just end up a slightly better Burnley if we're not careful.

None of Beto, DCL or Chermiti are super effective at travelling with the ball (that's not to say they have no pace though) so it will mean just pumping the ball into them. A player like Ekitike or even Daka would give us more counter-attacking opportunities too.
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Dwight K Schrute said:
If we sign Beto and DCL is fit, it will be 4-4-2.

But yes, if DCL isn't fit, we might see some variety.
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Does not mean it will be 442 at all dyche could change it to one. Yes he did it at burnley dors not mean here it will be that all the time. I think he will stick to 4213. That could adapt to 442 if he wanted to go more attacking, also when you talk about counter attacking gnonto and danjuma would be perfect for that. Dcl at brighton was perfect showing how a big cf can help with. Imo dyche was in a box at burnley had built his team one way and never really had the money ect to really change the style. Talk of him just playing 442 is wrong
 
Tel001 said:
We have to pay 25% of any profit to his old club I think.

If we sold him for 80m his old club would be due 11m … add that to the 35 we paid and they would have made 46m from him…. Which is more than we would have lol
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I think I worked it out before somewhere that at £73m we both make the same profit. The 35m was in € not £ IIRC.

Still, banking that profit and buying 2 players (maybe on better deals wrt sell on clauses) would for me be smart business that we’ve not gotten the best out of according to our amateur scouts, and protects us against them being wrong
 
padstir said:
Not blown away but not the worst signing. Think something in this following Dyche comments yesterday was hoping Dia from those comments but looks like it could be Beto
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Both oven ready so either would do. Fine signing young players with potential but we aren't in the position to develop youngsters by playing them in a possible Prem relegation scrap.
 
Dwight K Schrute said:
If we sign Beto and DCL is fit, it will be 4-4-2.

But yes, if DCL isn't fit, we might see some variety.
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When Dyche was asked about his 442 reputation last year he talked about how it was not his preferred shape but often the best use of his resources at Burnley given they did not have much of the ball and needed outlets.

Realistically we will do well to get 20 games from DCL starting/off bench as they take it slowly bringing him back and are super cautious with any setback. We would inevitably see a lot of Beto on his own through the middle in a 433.

IF (again, big if) we add him and Gnonto/other versatile wide player we would have a lot of tactical flexibility. Dyche has never had that luxury as a manager. It is no fairer to prejudge how he will set us up any more than prejudging players before they put on a shirt.

I have never been a Dyche fan but he deserves to be judged on what he does not what we assume he might do.
 

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