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Summer transfer window 2023

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nsno-chris said:
The reason people are scared of this model is because our recruitment team have been shambolic for 6 years.

There was no harm in selling Richarlison for £60m because we should have had 3 players ready to fill the void, or at least 1 and 2 for development over 12-18 months

The club needs a massive dose of reality
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Yes agree wholeheartedly, that is the problem really.

However last summer, we brought in Garner, Onana and McNeil for the Richarlison money and it's hard not to say they had better seasons than Richarlison last year.
 
catcherintherye said:
The counter is though mate, that Brighton sold their best players and got better.

We did under Moyes.

And honestly the £100m we got for those 2, should be able to be used for new players to offer us more than what we had from those 2.
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As I say mate, it’s not so much the concept, more the context and skills to do it. Im not dogmatic, I can accept their will be times players out grow the club within its current limits.

The difference though, is the skills, nous to improve or get the best deal, to be rightly compensated to improve- elsewise what’s the point of selling.

What we do is we sell low, very easily, and dilute quality - if even - we don’t really we sell to cover our losses.

We sell and disimprove.

My issue is two fold, we are soft touch and selling creates a false sense of hope in the fans desperate for signings - that makes it easy for the club and we get worse.

What I’m saying is, we have sold close to £75 mill in playing stock this financial year without replacements. Yet fans are being told we have to sell again to make signings, a lot will just comply and “let Onana” or “let Pickford go”, if a good offer comes in from Spurs or Newcastle, because they want to be excited by new signings and have hope.

My point is the model you describe isn’t being implemented here, the club sell to cover losses and dilute the quality, incrementally getting worse - there is no comparrison with Brighton.

The club wee down our backs and tell us it’s raining.

No more.
 
Neiler said:
As I say mate, it’s not so much the concept, more the context and skills to do it. Im not dogmatic, I can accept their will be times players out grow the club within its current limits.

The difference though, is the skills, nous to improve or get the best deal, to be rightly compensated to improve- elsewise what’s the point of selling.

What we do is we sell low, very easily, and dilute quality - if even - we don’t really we sell to cover our losses.

We sell and disimprove.

My issue is two fold, we are soft touch and selling creates a false sense of hope in the fans desperate for signings - that malikes it easy for the club and we get worse.

What I’m saying is, we have sold close to £75 mill in playing stock this financial year. Yet fans are being told we have to sell again to make signings, a lot will just comply and “let Onana” or “let Pickford go”, if a good offer comes in from Spurs or Newcastle, because they want to be excited by new sign8bgs and have hope.

My point is the model you describe isn’t being implemented here, the club sell to cover losses and dilute the quality, incrementally getting worse - there is no comparrison with Brighton.

The club wee down are back and tell us it’s raining.

No more.
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I dont think we sell that cheaply though. Like £60m for Rocharlison and £45m with add ons for Gordon doesnt feel cheap to me.

I think at times we dont maximise sales. We need to be more ruthless. We could have sold Richarlison for £80m and DCL for maybe £70m at one point. So we could have maximised sales better.

I think we sell ok though. We just dont have very good players.
 
blulouie said:
Even with a fully fit DCL we badly needed another striker.

Huge let down by Thelwell & the board , last seasons problems all started before a ball was kicked.

Let's hope Dyche doesn't get the same treatment.
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Last summer there was a decent spend and for the most part it was used wisely. More wisely than many other windows. Gueye for £2M was a great signing. McNeill came through in the end, and Tarkowski was a major success. Onana did ok, but not great. It was the £12M paid for Maupay that left us vulnerable.
 
catcherintherye said:
I dont think we sell that cheaply though. Like £60m for Rocharlison and £45m with add ons for Gordon doesnt feel cheap to me.

I think at times we dont maximise sales. We need to be more ruthless. We could have sold Richarlison for £80m and DCL for maybe £70m at one point. So we could have maximised sales better.

I think we sell ok though. We just dont have very good players.
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The sums of the fees are lower then you quoted mate.

Sorty mate I can’t agree, Richarlison is worth £120 mill to us, we aren’t getting that, but if Brighton are selling full backs and Leicester central defender for more in the same window then it’s poor, what did Anthony cost United….. We need to sell close to what players are worth to us, rather what others want to pay. When was the last time we said no, like with Lescott and get better fees. Would spurs accept now what we sold him for - no way.

£40 million is prob par for Gordon, I’d accept but stupid deal to do in Jan and underlines my point - did we get better?

Did we improve selling either?

No.
 
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catcherintherye said:
I dont think we sell that cheaply though. Like £60m for Rocharlison and £45m with add ons for Gordon doesnt feel cheap to me.

I think at times we dont maximise sales. We need to be more ruthless. We could have sold Richarlison for £80m and DCL for maybe £70m at one point. So we could have maximised sales better.

I think we sell ok though. We just dont have very good players.
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Yeah, I think in general we’ve been pretty good sellers. There’s a pretty big list of players we’ve sold for decent money who have gone on to do very little, and players like Stones and Lukaku who’ve gone on to do well we still got decent fees. I’m hard pushed to think of many since Rooney it feels like we’ve sold for too little?

DCL with hindsight we should’ve cashed in on, but no one knew what was coming. Richy maybe we could’ve got 80m from Barca or whoever at one point but his goals keeping us up last year were probably worth the 20m difference.

The problem is the buying, and the players we are left with we can’t sell.
 
davek said:
Last summer there was a decent spend and for the most part it was used wisely. More wisely than many other windows. Gueye for £2M was a great signing. McNeill came through in the end, and Tarkowski was a major success. Onana did ok, but not great. It was the £12M paid for Maupay that left us vulnerable.
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What you say has its merits.

But the stark facts are 34 goals scored in a full season is the result of last summers recruitment.
That's 2nd worst in the Prem.

Best be addressed this summer.
 

Neiler said:
The sums of the fees are lower then you quoted mate.

Sorty mate I can’t agree, Richarlison is worth £120 mill to us, we aren’t getting that, but if Brighton are selling full backs and Leicester central defender for more in the same window then it’s poor, what did Anthony cost United….. We need to sell close to what players are worth to us, rather what others want to pay. When was the last time we said no, like with Lescott and get better fees. Would spurs accept now what we sold him for - no way.

£40 million is prob par for Gordon, I’d accept but stupid deal to do in Jan and underlines my point - did we get better?

Did we improve selling either?

No.
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Stones? Lukaku?

I think we need to get better at selling at the right moment.
 
catcherintherye said:
Stones? Lukaku?

I think we need to get better at selling at the right moment.
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Lukakau I think we could have gotten more, Stones about par. Your going back many years - what 6/7 managers ago….

Both not recruited under the current regime mind and many years ago - we could go back to Moyes too - it’s not relevant to the current context - in fact I think it’s evidential. There are huge deviations in what we do now, to what we did then in terms of player trading, value and improvement. Even negotiating good deals and saying no to clubs - remember the Lescott saga.

Point overall is the model is a busted flush at Everton, we aren’t selling to improve, we are selling desperately to cover losses and diluting the quality of the playing squad, we are very far away from the theory of selling to reinvest and improve in reality - so the merits on the theory of the model are irrelevent as we don’t apply it. No one should fall for it and comp,y with having to sell to spend, with 70 mill already raised in player sales since the last summer window shut.
 
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The problem when you sell Lukaku is that the few equivalent talents only want to play for top of the table type teams. So you get a lot of money and have to spread it out over 2nd tier talents that don't come close to replacing the production even if you spend it well. Benteke kept Villa up almost single handedly for 3 years.
 
What’s worrying me about this summer is what happened to us in January. We had targets lined up ie danjuma and sulemana and they both chose to go elsewhere. They both flopped in the end so hindsight may have done us a favour, but the point is our top targets left us scrambling round and we got no one. Obviously there were mitigating circumstances in January, but if the same thing happens again we’ll be in trouble again.
I hope thelwell and dyche have planned this summer and targets have been lined up and we don’t spend the summer getting the knock back from everyone.
 

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