Summer transfer window 2023

[Eggs]

There's a valid discussion to be had about our transfer business, and valid criticisms. But to me, someone like Tielemans would be the embodiment of everything we have done wrong over recent years.

Huge wages
Went hiding when it mattered
Over 25
Massive miles on the clock (445 top flght games)
Long contract
Questionable attitude.
Becoming injury prone.
Doesn't suit the managers system.

You are gambling, in an unsophisticated way that he relives his past glories and it all magically works out. And the last 7 years have shown us it doesn't.

It woll sound mad, but I'd rather have a battler like Josh Brownhill in, who while limited you at least know what you will get from him.

….you listed transfer ‘acceptance criteria’, I keep banging on about this.

 

[Tony’s Carp]

I have no idea of the veracity of the links, but my question would be, why not sign Coady?

I'm not saying Saiss is the answer, but he's a different profile entirely to Coady. Dyche clearly didn't fancy Coady for a two (and no one seems to) whereas Saiss is bigger, tougher and more of a Dyche centre back (and Mina replacement) than Coady. Also left footed so I could see the logic of him and Branthwaite as alternatives on the left of a two.

It's not a link I'm excited about I'm just saying I could understand it.

 

[Neiler]

Yeah, Villa remind me a lot of us a few years ago, dishing out big contracts left right and centre. Yeah he's "free" but he'll be on ridiculous money, especially for a guy who's looked a bit off for a while. Villa one of a few clubs who could be entering FFP trouble just as we're finally exiting it.

The similarity with us is the layers of building over existing players year on year under different managers - that’s our recipe of disaster.

For example:

Buendía (Smith)
Countino (Slippy)
Tielemans (Emery)

Digne another example, he’s surplus now on a big contract.

All on healthy long contracts. Year on year looseing value on what they paid.

Lashing through managers to Emery, is their Carlo - have a feeling despite doing him doing well, it will end the same way.

Seem to be following a similar trend to the hole we were in, limited profits on player trading, high player cost bill to turnover and repeated losses.

 

[Tony’s Carp]

I mean if that’s your argument we could of had coady I’d imagine he’s a better character in the dressing room and training pitch than Saiss. What I remember of him at wolves is not an awful lot and 33 ffs if this is the kind of dregs we are searching for mentioned I hope we very quickly end up in the championship instead of clinging on for another couple of season only for the inevitable to happen this club absolutely stinks and how anyone mentions the new stadium like it’s a big bright beam of light in the distance is beyond me pathetic from top to bottom. I’d genuinely rather we went down started producing some young lads who come through and play and start enjoying watching Everton I accepted years ago we’re not a top side but watching us hang on to premier league status with no clear vision moving forward is painful.

That's a hell of a stream of consciousness to get from discussing a vague rumour about signing a veteran centre back to wishing the club you support had been relegated.

 

[Dougie]

You'd want to try to have a like for like squad. We should have been looking for a younger version of Coleman rather than giving him a contract with no idea how he'll recover from his knee op. Davies well,he isn't like anyone else.

We have no idea what the squad or first 11 will look like come the end of the window. Players will go and we will bring players in. All we can do is wait and hope,

 

[mikel_88]

I'm not saying Saiss is the answer, but he's a different profile entirely to Coady. Dyche clearly didn't fancy Coady for a two (and no one seems to) whereas Saiss is bigger, tougher and more of a Dyche centre back (and Mina replacement) than Coady. Also left footed so I could see the logic of him and Branthwaite as alternatives on the left of a two.

It's not a link I'm excited about I'm just saying I could understand it.

U would if we got holgate and keane off the books. Then he came in as a backup with hopefully less wages

 

[Hogwild]

The Gordon money is becoming the Arteta money.

Given the amount of business we have tended to do with Man Utd and Tottenham, I assume Bill has some mates there.

Diallo on loan would not suck…

 

[Marius57]

…..I presume you’ve been around for the last 6 years?

I know. But surely it was in the 120 point plan that we stop letting every interim manager have a say in transfers

 

[brieverton]

I like McTominay, but the spectre of a player on what would be an obvious backwards move for him, would concern me. Hand him a contact and he is 30 or pushing it if he saw it through. That's not going to create profit for trading which is the model which absolutely we must wholeheartedly embrace to become self-sustaining.

I'd generally prefer players to see us as a step up to their next club, rather than Plan B. I'd be concerned about a players attitude and commitment in those circumstances, but to a degree its once bitten, twice shy.

I'd maintain though that for the position we are in, we have to get them in younger and cheaper, and make clubs want them after a season or two. That means a European and global focus to recruitment, as the value simply won't be there more often than not buying domestically.

 

[BainesontoastNEW]

Douglas Luiz, McGinn, Ramsey, Kamara and Tielemans for a combined fee of £18m. Don't say it can't be done.

 

[Hogwild]

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Nope. Wouldn’t go over 20m and even that is a touch high

 

[Rich1878]

Douglas Luiz, McGinn, Ramsey, Kamara and Tielemans for a combined fee of £18m. Don't say it can't be done.

Tielemans off to Villa. So, it can't be done

 

[Tony’s Carp]

The similarity with us is the layers of building over existing players year on year under different managers - that’s our recipe of disaster.

For example:

Buendía (Smith)
Countino (Slippy)
Tielemans (Emery)

Digne another example, he’s surplus now on a big contract.

All on healthy long contracts. Year on year looseing value on what they paid.

Lashing through managers to Emery, is their Carlo - have a feeling despite doing him doing well, it will end the same way.

Seem to be following a similar trend to the hole we were in, limited profits on player trading, high player cost bill to turnover and repeated losses.

Yeah exactly, there seems to be a lot of short-termism and a lot of them getting players like Tielemans because they can not necessarily because they should or it fits with what they need.

I remember saying on here when people were upset at Digne leaving that them signing a guy in his late 20s who was already on the wane for a big fee they'd never recoup, on a huge long-term contract, that it was exactly that sort of deal that got us where we've been the last couple of years. It was actually nice to be on the right side of that sort of deal for once.

 

[jonnyboy316]

The similarity with us is the layers of building over existing players year on year under different managers - that’s our recipe of disaster.

For example:

Buendía (Smith)
Countino (Slippy)
Tielemans (Emery)

Digne another example, he’s surplus now on a big contract.

All on healthy long contracts. Year on year looseing value on what they paid.

Lashing through managers to Emery, is their Carlo - have a feeling despite doing him doing well, it will end the same way.

Seem to be following a similar trend to the hole we were in, limited profits on player trading, high player cost bill to turnover and repeated losses.

They have more sellable assets than us though and richer backers. They could definitely find themselves up against it FFP wise though unless they can qualify consistently for Europe

 

[Neiler]

Yeah exactly, there seems to be a lot of short-termism and a lot of them getting players like Tielemans because they can not necessarily because they should or it fits with what they need.

I remember saying on here when people were upset at Digne leaving that them signing a guy in his late 20s who was already on the wane for a big fee they'd never recoup, on a huge long-term contract, that it was exactly that sort of deal that got us where we've been the last couple of years. It was actually nice to be on the right side of that sort of deal for once.

You just know Digne will be back here on loan by Aug mate. lol