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Albertini78 said:
Yet we still dont bleat on like the mags like we're the hardest done by fans in the world
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Even though the outcome is already known,its compulsive viewing,it just seems you lurch from one mishap to another,the cryochamber bit was jaw dropping,only used by that Bain for his bad back
 

Been taken to the brink by these absolute charlatan owners and now

Tin hat firmly on

Watched all of STID and I actually haven’t seen much that our owners did wrong. Mistakes were made notably Grigg , but [Poor language removed] me the mess the club was in when they came in. The club was on a one way ticket to liquidation. In my opinion they bit off a bit more than they could chew but when they...
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They are blaming the club staff. Their OWN SUPPORTERS.

This is incredible. The worst supporters, fans in the universe. Amazing.
 

If someone would indulge an ignorant American, when y'all refer to a club being big or not big, what's the main basis of judgment? Is it the club's age, or number of titles won, or the amount of time it's spent in the top flight, or its annual gate receipts, or its global reach, or what?
 
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Hes not at the club now he left a few months ago but in his time at SAFC he was mainly famous for having a pint in his hand in bars near the ground
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It's all he seemed to do, and introduce a new techno song for the players to walk out to, is that still played ?

Over the course of the two series I thought ye had players with seriously weak, flaky attitudes, something we've had issues with ourselves of course, just seemed little or none of them gave a flying one as to what was happening at the club.
 
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If someone would indulge an ignorant American, when y'all refer to a club being big or not big, what's the main basis of judgment? Is it the club's age, or number of titles won, or the amount of time it's spent in the top flight, or its annual gate receipts, or its global reach, or what?
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A combination of stadium size, fan base , trophies won , away support and behaviours.

Playing music when you score immediately rules you out lol as does poor away support and certainly poor home support.

‘Big club’ barometers are set vs the rest of the country across all the leagues imo, if Villa went to league 2 they would still be a big club, if Man City went to league 2 they wouldn’t
 
Just finished watching it. I think the overriding feeling I have is this is what organisations who have had prolonged failure look like. It's actually very difficult to turn the ship around and you can end up compounding poor decisions with further bad ones.

I think the chairman is well out of his depth. Apparently made his money at Eastleigh. Fair play to him, but Sunderland is a world away from Eastleigh. It's like running a successful restaurant in Eastleigh, and thinking you can turn around Wimpy. I mean the two things are vastly different. He's not ruthless enough, he's not clever enough, not self aware of his weaknesses enough and isn't logical enough to perform the role he is.

The other fella Charlie what's his name is ok, but he's nowhere near as good as he thinks he is (but then who would be). You find this a lot if you meet alumni of Eton (and equivalent schools) they are blessed with an enormous confidence, most of which is wholly unfounded. He knew how to talk the language, but actually in the minutiae of ideas he was also really lacking. You meet lots of people like him in business who talk a great game but when it comes to specifics are quite lacking.

I also have to say his pitch to his employees seemed completely out. It's fine saying they deserve it, but it's your job as a leader to pitch the ideas in a way that gains a positive reaction from the staff. Doing a Gordon Gecko impression is not going to do that is not the right pitch for employees at Sunderland. In terms of specifics, the day of Boxing Day where he swore at the woman and told her to essentially lie about figures seemed poor as well. If it was essential to get a number, he should have made that really clear to the team counting and the woman in question beforehand, and rather than having her fetching his beer she should have been helping to count.

Overall there just seemed to be a lack of a clear strategy for the big plan. I mean what was the recruitment strategy? Who were they buying and who were they selling? Was their an acknowledgment that they needed to sell players to help sustain the business? Did anyone think to try and get Maja tied down in the summer? That ought to have been a priority. When it was clear he wouldn't sign, he should have been getting offered to PL clubs (Spurs in particular) for the highest fee possible. Plans should also have been in place to find 6-8 potential replacements from League 1 down to the NL as players who could come in. There didn't seem to be a list much beyond Will Griggs. I mean anyone could have suggested Will Griggs, you don't need a scouting department to do that.

So yes, you'd hope to see from any leaders how Sunderland could capitalise on the edge they have on many teams in that division. Instead the size and history of the club seems to be utilised against them and is a weakness as much as a strength. They just need better people in charge.
 

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