SuperLeague - guess who's back

[TheBigIguana]

Club spending must be based solely on the funds generated and not on competitively distorting capital injections...

So keeping the rich rich and at the top ey.....never change you corrupt bar stewards

If you want real competitive balance spending constraints are necessary.

 

[Neiler]

Basically, a power grab by the clubs to take control from UEFA. Now, a properly-run UEFA might garner huge support in this existential battle. And, to be fair, UEFA are not FIFA. But they haven't really done enough for the little guy to garner unquestioned support here.

This is, essentially, the Premier League breakaway all over again. Instead of worrying about 92 clubs, that breakaway allowed the FA to usurp the Football League and consolidate all wealth in 22 clubs, now 20. In the case of this Super League, instead of spreading the wealth across thousands of clubs, it can be crystallised in 80 - with, no doubt, huge differentials in how that is divvied up among the elite. You can bet Florentino Perez does not see, say, Sporting Lisbon, Feyenoord, or Anderlecht gaining a share anywhere comparable to Real Madrid's.

So, this is no solution. What we need is a system that does not consolidate all wealth in the Premier League. That won't change with this. If anything, it simply compensates the super clubs on the continent for the unbalanced TV rights deals that are earned in England and rips away power from regulators. It won't help Steaua Bucharest - who probably won't make the 80, anyway - or even those who do who aren't in the elite 12 or 16.

The solution would be some kind of transparent - and fair - financial fair play rules that reflect the reality that a globalised game with EU freedom of movement means the market alone cannot provide equality of opportunity. In accepting that, we need a system that transfers significant wealth to countries whose cubs cannot compete in the interests of safeguarding the game. Basically, EU structural funds for football. Structural funds from the EU have essentially built up small or poorer countries so they can now compete in the European single market and grow their markets to the benefit of all. Ireland may not be Germany, but it is economically and socially "competitive". Poland has been transformed by EU funds. But Florentino is hardly in favour of ensuring that Romania continues to produce players like Hagi or Bulgaria gives us more Stoichkovs...

It is a bit of a power grab against Uefa. But i also feel it is in direct response to the PL, European clubs want to create a product that will redirect funds from the PL into their coffers. The PL essentially is the ESL.

Here are the top 20 wealthiest clubs in the world, the PL by far the biggest representative and their incomes are growing.

 

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There’s a good documentary about the Super League on Apple TV that I just started watching

 

[Ruairi77]

I'm desperate for the super league to really happen. The scab six going their own way and a total fincial collapse is the only way well ever see football returning to something like what it used to be. It would be a rough few years for the rest of us, no doubt about it, but the new league would be stronger, fairer and better for it. With loyal fans still going the match to watch their teams for a far more reasonable price

Meanwhile after a few years of love-ins the "super league" would totally collapse. The novelty of seeing Man Utd Vs Real Madrid and Barcelona Vs the RS would soon wear off for even the glory hunting day trippers once its no longer an event and the thought of paying £80 to £100 for a single game of footie stops sounding like fun. They won't even be able to brag and glot at their friends/work colleges anymore because nobody would care what fans of scab clubs in a different league have to say.

The "super league" would 100% collapse in a decade or less once the bubble bursts.

It wouldn't tho.
It would be a closed house global football juggernaut with a massive global audience.
Look at the NFL. The same teams each season, 16 regular season games then playoffs. Viewing figures are still huge.
It would feel fake and might make the domestic league more competitive and even better but if they get this started, it definitely wont die.

 

[jjefc06]

Are we in it?

 

[good times bad times]

They're all going off to play Rugby League instead ? Effing brilliant, and good riddance!

 

[Saint Domingo]

If you want real competitive balance spending constraints are necessary.

They have to be equal across all clubs though. It can’t just be a way to lock in the elite and put up a massive barrier to incursion which is what the current system does.

We need draft picks of academy talent, equal or maybe even inverse dispersal of European and tv prize money down the league and the wider football pyramid, an equal salary cap per club, enforced squad sizes.

 

[TheBigIguana]

They have to be equal across all clubs though. It can’t just be a way to lock in the elite and put up a massive barrier to incursion which is what the current system does.

We need draft picks of academy talent, equal or maybe even inverse dispersal of European and tv prize money down the league and the wider football pyramid, an equal salary cap per club, enforced squad sizes.

Yes that's what I mean

 

[Saint Domingo]

Football continues to eat itself. I've long given up interest. The sport died with its interest about 20 years ago.

Yes, doesn’t matter what structure they put in, ultimately the top clubs are too greedy that they won’t accept genuine competition but can’t square the circle that it was genuine competition that made the PL the most exciting league in the world.

What we’ll end up with is staged ‘competition’ between the few chosen elite teams who will rotate it between them to keep them all satisfied. Anything that isn’t yet that will just be a step on the rung to getting there. These clubs can’t help themselves, they’d happily shaft the entire lower football pyramid and the rest of the PL just for a few extra quid they don’t even need. Their greed knows no limits.

 

[NathDogg]

Let the scabs go - this is a direct result of uefa and the premier league not taking strong enough action against all parties/clubs involved in the last disgrace.

You reap what you sow.

As others have said it will It will be an absolute snooze fest and dead in a decade. They will be looking for their next financial fit up.

 

[OneTrueLegend]

Looking at the proposal today, its very different to the original one.

80 teams

multidivisional format

no permanent members

Minimum 14 games per season

There is a lot to take in there. 80 teams, so how would that work?

lets say there there 3 tiers to the competition (like Champions League, Europa League and Europa Conference) and if you win the lower ranked competition you move up to the next on the following year.

I presume you would have to have 8 teams in a group (to give you the 14 game minimum), then a knock out? The biggest difference is going to be which countries are invited to the table. I would imagine out of those 80 teams, 75 are going to be from the top 10 coefficients.

England 11 clubs
Spain 10 Clubs
Germany 10 Clubs
Italy 10 clubs
France 8 clubs
Portugal 6 clubs
Netherlands 6 clubs
Belgium 6 clubs
scotland 4 clubs
Austria 4 clubs

then the other 45 nations will compete for the remaining 5 places through endless rounds of playoffs

The difficulty is where do you get space in the calendar for these games? 14 games is massive, at the moment you get 6 minimum in the champions league (from the group stage) so you need 8 additional dates in the calendar. Maybe the season could be extended by a week or 2 but even that seems tricky. I would think it would mean the end of the league cup and possibly a smaller premier league, which would be very difficult to implement.

 

[DualityNSNO]

Looking at the proposal today, its very different to the original one.

80 teams

multidivisional format

no permanent members

Minimum 14 games per season

There is a lot to take in there. 80 teams, so how would that work?

lets say there there 3 tiers to the competition (like Champions League, Europa League and Europa Conference) and if you win the lower ranked competition you move up to the next on the following year.

I presume you would have to have 8 teams in a group (to give you the 14 game minimum), then a knock out? The biggest difference is going to be which countries are invited to the table. I would imagine out of those 80 teams, 75 are going to be from the top 10 coefficients.

England 11 clubs
Spain 10 Clubs
Germany 10 Clubs
Italy 10 clubs
France 8 clubs
Portugal 6 clubs
Netherlands 6 clubs
Belgium 6 clubs
scotland 4 clubs
Austria 4 clubs

then the other 45 nations will compete for the remaining 5 places through endless rounds of playoffs

The difficulty is where do you get space in the calendar for these games? 14 games is massive, at the moment you get 6 minimum in the champions league (from the group stage) so you need 8 additional dates in the calendar. Maybe the season could be extended by a week or 2 but even that seems tricky. I would think it would mean the end of the league cup and possibly a smaller premier league, which would be very difficult to implement.

So CWC but with extra steps and cherrypicked nations? lol

I honestly see this, when it happens, being a success for about 2-5 years. Then the novelty of exactly 5 teams competing for everything wearing off and people being very 'meh' towards another Barca/City - Real/Bayern finalist lol

 

[OneTrueLegend]

So CWC but with extra steps and cherrypicked nations? lol

I honestly see this, when it happens, being a success for about 2-5 years. Then the novelty of exactly 5 teams competing for everything wearing off and people being very 'meh' towards another Barca/City - Real/Bayern finalist lol

It really depends how its set up, when you look at the existing system with Uefa its not perfect and generally the champions league normally boils down to the the same 4 or 5 teams anyway, how different is it actually going to be? Really its just about the bigger clubs getting more money and splitting it between 80 teams rather than the 96 currently or 108 that uefa are proposing with their changes.

 

[chrismpw]

Yes, doesn’t matter what structure they put in, ultimately the top clubs are too greedy that they won’t accept genuine competition but can’t square the circle that it was genuine competition that made the PL the most exciting league in the world.

What we’ll end up with is staged ‘competition’ between the few chosen elite teams who will rotate it between them to keep them all satisfied. Anything that isn’t yet that will just be a step on the rung to getting there. These clubs can’t help themselves, they’d happily shaft the entire lower football pyramid and the rest of the PL just for a few extra quid they don’t even need. Their greed knows no limits.

Exactly this.

Let them go and become an entertainment like the pointless harlem globetrotters or WWF. while clubs keep ours can continue in sporting competition.

 

[DualityNSNO]

It really depends how its set up, when you look at the existing system with Uefa its not perfect and generally the champions league normally boils down to the the same 4 or 5 teams anyway, how different is it actually going to be? Really its just about the bigger clubs getting more money and splitting it between 80 teams rather than the 96 currently or 108 that uefa are proposing with their changes.

What I mean though, it'll be quite samey within a "season" or two. I watch El Classico as it's interesting when it's 2 times a year (3 if for a cup for example), as there's something in it. If it happens more times with nothing to lose - what's the hype about really?

UEFA should impose a ban on transfer fees and wages so that others can also compete and players will go to storied clubs, rather than monied clubs. But they won't, as that'll hurt the pockets and profits.