The 2015 Popularity Contest (aka UK General Election )

[1966efc]

I think the esk is 50% correct on this. I'm finding it hard to think of individuals from any country I've come across who don't show the same individual qualities and others who don't have the narrow minded, intolerant view of the world that some English people do.

As to national characteristics, the U K has been all the things he mentions ... but so have other empire builders: belligerence, intolerance etc are prerequisites of a mindset that believes the country has the right to trot round the globe like it was a pick n mix selection choosing which resources / territories etc it wants.

Language and services seem to be the two main areas which concern those who identify as white English. Immigrants help pay for services and take less in benefits: not a popular fact but a fact nonetheless. Are public services coping with demand? Probably not in some parts of the country. If you want better services then be prepared to pay more tax. No matter what vote addicted politicians and greedy right wingers may tell you, there really is no alternative to that.

As to getting on a train and hearing your own language being spoken: why would that aspect of life offend you? Surely it's as odd as complaining that ice cubes are cold. Mr Attlee is no longer Prime Minister; Spam is no longer the exotic choice for tea it once was; most children don't have ricketts.

In short, the world has changed: you can sit back and whine or do what some Afrikaaners did after apartheid - build separate towns and live life like it was in "the good old days". Or you could embrace the change and be open to new experiences.

 

[Walken]

I think the esk is 50% correct on this. I'm finding it hard to think of individuals from any country I've come across who don't show the same individual qualities and others who don't have the narrow minded, intolerant view of the world that some English people do.

As to national characteristics, the U K has been all the things he mentions ... but so have other empire builders: belligerence, intolerance etc are prerequisites of a mindset that believes the country has the right to trot round the globe like it was a pick n mix selection choosing which resources / territories etc it wants.

Language and services seem to be the two main areas which concern those who identify as white English. Immigrants help pay for services and take less in benefits: not a popular fact but a fact nonetheless. Are public services coping with demand? Probably not in some parts of the country. If you want better services then be prepared to pay more tax. No matter what vote addicted politicians and greedy right wingers may tell you, there really is no alternative to that.

As to getting on a train and hearing your own language being spoken: why would that aspect of life offend you? Surely it's as odd as complaining that ice cubes are cold. Mr Attlee is no longer Prime Minister; Spam is no longer the exotic choice for tea it once was; most children don't have ricketts.

In short, the world has changed: you can sit back and whine or do what some Afrikaaners did after apartheid - build separate towns and live life like it was in "the good old days". Or you could embrace the change and be open to new experiences.

well said, technology grows and the world gets smaller, people desperately trying to cling on to what they view as the 'english way of life' are not just living in the wrong country, they are on the wrong planet

 

[Clint Planet]

Immigration back then was worlds apart from what is now. Many people from all different races and cultures came eee for a better life and really valued being british.

As if UKIP, the EDL and the BNP would have been there welcoming them with open arms. Yeah, right.

And with that, as requested by @the esk*, I'm out of this. have a good day, fine people of this wonderful land. We won last night and the sky is Blue this morning.



*I would have completely left it but Nik chose to have a final word so I chose to reply. apologies.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Immigration back then was worlds apart from what is now. Many people from all different races and cultures came eee for a better life and really valued being british. Now that has been diluted with uncontrolled mass immigration and we are almost ashamed of being British, something which I feel has been exploited by a lot of immigrants ( especially from a certain faith) to professionally complain and get rules changed for them. We have thousands upon thousands who do not identify at all with this country and couldn't careers about it other than the benefits that come with living here. I know it's only a small example but see how many Eastern Europeans or Muslims or whoever will be wearing the poppy- respecting the dead soldiers who died to protect te land they are living on. Few and far between. Fair play to the ones that are. It is an example of how much they just do not identify with us.

Have you not heard of rivers of blood Nik? Those migrants suffered exactly the same kind of hostility that you're extolling now, just as the Irish or the Jews or whatever other group did before them. This isn't a modern issue.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Immigration back then was worlds apart from what is now. Many people from all different races and cultures came eee for a better life and really valued being british. Now that has been diluted with uncontrolled mass immigration and we are almost ashamed of being British, something which I feel has been exploited by a lot of immigrants ( especially from a certain faith) to professionally complain and get rules changed for them. We have thousands upon thousands who do not identify at all with this country and couldn't careers about it other than the benefits that come with living here. I know it's only a small example but see how many Eastern Europeans or Muslims or whoever will be wearing the poppy- respecting the dead soldiers who died to protect te land they are living on. Few and far between. Fair play to the ones that are. It is an example of how much they just do not identify with us.

Ok, first of all, a number of those eastern European nations provided a great many soldiers to the Allied forces during the war. The performances of the Poles, the Czechs and so on are pretty well known.

Secondly, have you ever thought for a minute how it feels from their side? I know personally that many older Czechs are still bitter over what we did, because first we gave their country to Germany, and then after the war we gave whole countries to Stalin. I reckon those that faught for freedom and then got Stalin would probably rightly regard the sacrifice they made as being rather wasted, wouldn't you?

 

[Blue 1]

Now that has been diluted with uncontrolled mass immigration and we are almost ashamed of being British, something which I feel has been exploited by a lot of immigrants ( especially from a certain faith) to professionally complain and get rules changed for them.

What laws have muslims and other ethnic minority groups had changed for them?

The only minority group I can think of that has had actual laws changed for them in recent years are homosexuals, who are now allowed to marry.

If you meant something else by rules then I apologise. Would still be interested as to what rules though.

 

[edge]

Ok, first of all, a number of those eastern European nations provided a great many soldiers to the Allied forces during the war. The performances of the Poles, the Czechs and so on are pretty well known.

Secondly, have you ever thought for a minute how it feels from their side? I know personally that many older Czechs are still bitter over what we did, because first we gave their country to Germany, and then after the war we gave whole countries to Stalin. I reckon those that faught for freedom and then got Stalin would probably rightly regard the sacrifice they made as being rather wasted, wouldn't you?

Your giving nik an open goal there Bruce some of his main targets fought agaist us .
As for the czechs shameful as it was more to do with a USA leader being ill and should not have been there,
Giving up the allied stance behind Churchills back, it shocking the stuff that has come out recently about the events surrounding those meeting' s
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[Bruce Wayne]

Your giving nik an open goal there Bruce some of his main targets fought agaist us .
As for the chezh shameful as it was more to do with a usa leader being ill and should not have been there,
Giving up the allied stance behind churchills back, it shocking the stuff that has come out recently about the events surrounding those meeting s
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I suspect most younger people are well over it all, seeing as it was 70 years ago and all, they just want to get on in life, but to bemoan them for not wearing a poppy just shows a lack of understanding I think.

I mean look at the Irish in the first war. The majority backed it, but there were some that didn't, and some that fought for the opposition. It wouldn't be right to generalise about a whole group of people though, would it? It's very rare that something as complex as life can be boiled down to something that can fit into a headline.

 

[edge]

I suspect most younger people are well over it all, seeing as it was 70 years ago and all, they just want to get on in life, but to bemoan them for not wearing a poppy just shows a lack of understanding I think.

I mean look at the Irish in the first war. The majority backed it, but there were some that didn't, and some that fought for the opposition. It wouldn't be right to generalise about a whole group of people though, would it? It's very rare that something as complex as life can be boiled down to something that can fit into a headline.

its all going a bit nuts Bruce , and off topic on here shame as it was plodding along quite nice before it went down this route, its boring and been done a million times before.
lets get back to who is the worst Tory or Labour

 

[EFCNIK]

Ok, first of all, a number of those eastern European nations provided a great many soldiers to the Allied forces during the war. The performances of the Poles, the Czechs and so on are pretty well known.

Secondly, have you ever thought for a minute how it feels from their side? I know personally that many older Czechs are still bitter over what we did, because first we gave their country to Germany, and then after the war we gave whole countries to Stalin. I reckon those that faught for freedom and then got Stalin would probably rightly regard the sacrifice they made as being rather wasted, wouldn't you?

That's fine, but living here would be a bit hypocritical then wouldn't it? Biting the hand that feeds?

Meh, we're never going to agree. I just think its a shame we have so many people who don't identify with us at all. They should make the effort as much as we should, and I don't see it happening. Black people, Indian people and people from different faiths in the past came over, enriched our economy and were in manageable numbers in relation to our size and amenities. How anyone can say that Labour opening the floodgates has been a positive thing for us I just don't understand. Even the numbers back it up now, although I'm much more concerned about the effects on society from a sociological point of view not economic. Mass immigration from people of a certain belief system was absolute suicide. They are brought up to despise what we value most from day one. Our tolerance has lead to a wave of ugly intolerance.

Anyone coming to live here should have the means to do so without relying on us to prop them up, we have enough people looking for housing/ schooling etc on our tiny island without the added strain. That is all most rational people ask.



And it's really annoying you saying I tarnish a 'whole group' because it goes without saying its not the same in every individual case and I shouldn't have to keep making that point on every post. Youre clutching at straws there.

 

[EFCNIK]

I suspect most younger people are well over it all, seeing as it was 70 years ago and all, they just want to get on in life, but to bemoan them for not wearing a poppy just shows a lack of understanding I think.

I mean look at the Irish in the first war. The majority backed it, but there were some that didn't, and some that fought for the opposition. It wouldn't be right to generalise about a whole group of people though, would it? It's very rare that something as complex as life can be boiled down to something that can fit into a headline.

You live in Britain, with all the benefits that comes with it? You make an effort with the local people. Respecting our fallen soldiers would be a start. Of course I would never call for people to be forced to wear them like, its all about free will, but I do think foreign people living here should make a particular effort. It's all about give and take and too may immigrants are all about take.

 

[bluemangroup]

You live in Britain, with all the benefits that comes with it? You make an effort with the local people. Respecting our fallen soldiers would be a start. Of course I would never call for people to be forced to wear them like, its all about free will, but I do think foreign people living here should make a particular effort. It's all about give and take and too may immigrants are all about take.

The majority of immigrants do try to fit in and are relatively successful in doing so. We then in turn should be welcoming to them and maybe we pick up some of their cultures as well.
You are running with this idea that there's a lack of respect based on isolated incidents with regards to soldiers. Again, it's a small portion of immigrant populations that do resent the military in this country and they aren't just going to forget previous allegiances or bonds or relatives they've lost when they move to this country. We aren't condoning it but I'm not sure why they should implicitly just love our armies because they live here.

Anyway, I had hoped that Milliband would be a policies politician this time round. Doesn't seem to be the case or he isn't being given the chance to be.

 

[Coach]

LMAO at Gideon claiming to have halved the £1.7bn EU surcharge. He truly thinks we are all idiots and won't be able to see the truth of the matter.

 

[rascal]

LMAO at Gideon claiming to have halved the £1.7bn EU surcharge. He truly thinks we are all idiots and won't be able to see the truth of the matter.

He's a complete buffoon. It's ridiculous that we trust this coke sniffer and whoremonger.

 

[Walken]

He's a complete buffoon. It's ridiculous that we trust this coke sniffer and whoremonger.

his new look is very brendan rodgers as well