Install the app
How to install the app on iOS

Follow along with the video below to see how to install our site as a web app on your home screen.

Note: This feature may not be available in some browsers.

The 2015 Popularity Contest (aka UK General Election )

Who will you be voting for?

  • Tory

    Votes: 38 9.9%
  • Diet Tory (Labour)

    Votes: 132 34.3%
  • Tory Zero (Greens)

    Votes: 44 11.4%
  • Extra Tory with lemon (UKIP)

    Votes: 40 10.4%
  • Lib Dems

    Votes: 9 2.3%
  • Other

    Votes: 31 8.1%
  • Cheese on toast

    Votes: 91 23.6%

  • Total voters
    385
  • Poll closed .
Status
Not open for further replies.
I'm just wondering what the aim of welfare is. Are we operating under the belief that there will always be have nots in society, and welfare should therefore exist to provide a bare minimum lifestyle, or are we believing that welfare should provide a temporary leg-up to help people get back to a state of self sufficiency? Or is it a combination of the two?

And again, you have totally missed the point of my post. You simply cannot engage with the idea that it is a scandal that children in this country grow up in poverty, can you?
 
Yes, I don't vote on popularity, I vote on what I believe makes sense in policy.
Are these policies still written on the back of a fag packet, to be thrown out immediately after the election like last time? You know, like making taxi drivers wear uniforms? A flat tax rate for all? The privatisation of the NHS? Or just making it harder for migrants to come to the UK and take a job, unless it's his own German wife cos of course that's different?

I think I'd rather eat wasps than vote for that hypocritical, Thatcher loving, tax money robbing 'man of the people' Farage. As if the likes of him would do ANYTHING to help anyone who earns less than £100k per year.
 

And again, you have totally missed the point of my post. You simply cannot engage with the idea that it is a scandal that children in this country grow up in poverty, can you?

Well no, I'll admit that I don't tend to get worked up about things I have no control over. There are an awful lot of terrible things that happen in the world (sadly), but I choose to employ my energies in the areas that I can actually influence, just as you do with your teaching.

There's little value in coming over all Helen Lovejoy unless you can do something about it, right? All it does is spoil your crumpet.
 
I think I'd rather eat wasps than vote for that hypocritical, Thatcher loving, tax money robbing 'man of the people' Farage. As if the likes of him would do ANYTHING to help anyone who earns less than £100k per year.

Can you define? Sorry, I'm American, and I don't know what that means.
Does he steal tax money for his own benefit from the national treasury? If so, why has he not been prosecuted? How does he do this?
 
Was reading about Ivan Illich t'other day. Interesting chap.

"I believe that a desirable future depends on our deliberately choosing a life of action over a life of consumption; in the power of association, and the importance of local groups and networks in opening up and supporting learning; in a lifestyle which will enable us to be spontaneous, independent, yet related to each other; rather than a lifestyle which only allows us to produce and consume"

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Tools-Conviviality-Ivan-Illich/dp/1842300113

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Deschooling-Society-Open-Forum-Illich/dp/0714508799

In that latter book, he espouses a future (he wrote it in the 70's) where you could learn anywhere and at any time, where means to connect those who wished to share knowledge existed, and where discussions could easily be proposed and debated.

Kinda like the web I guess.
 

Well no, I'll admit that I don't tend to get worked up about things I have no control over.

But we do have control over it. Poverty, as I keep pointing out, is a political decision. And anyway, "not getting worked up about things you have no control over" would be laughably fatalistic if it weren't so depressing an attitude. No individual had control over workers pay and conditions and yet the belief that they should improve brought about improvements for the workers. Had you been born in the 18th century, you'd have no control over the existence of slavery, and yet it was eventually abolished (no thanks to your kind, no doubt - no control over it, you see). Maybe nobody would know Rosa Parks' name if she'd thought "Ah well, no point in getting worked up about it."

Speaking up about the iniquities of modern society is not a waste of time and doing so is not "getting worked up."
 
Can you define? Sorry, I'm American, and I don't know what that means.
Does he steal tax money for his own benefit from the national treasury? If so, why has he not been prosecuted? How does he do this?
He does not do anything of the sort,people just make this stuff up because the don't understand and are a little afraid.
 
Can you define? Sorry, I'm American, and I don't know what that means.
Does he steal tax money for his own benefit from the national treasury? If so, why has he not been prosecuted? How does he do this?
The UKIP leader, Nigel Farage, is a Member of the European Parliament. UKIP believe that the European Union doesn't work, and want the UK to leave. They see it as a 'gravy train' for some people. Despite being democratically elected to represent their electorates at the European Parliament, Farage and his fellow 23 UKIP MEPs openly don't bother to do the work they were elected to do ie. they don't turn up for meetings/votes etc. They are however happy to be part of the 'gravy train' and claim their tax payer funded salary of £78,000 per year, plus considerable expenses. Farage has been doing this since 1999. Hope this helps!
 

Status
Not open for further replies.

Welcome

Join Grand Old Team to get involved in the Everton discussion. Signing up is quick, easy, and completely free.

Back
Top