The 2015 Popularity Contest (aka UK General Election )

[rascal]

If leaving the EU is the only reason that you'll be voting UKIP, are you aware that other minority parties are also offering an in/out referendum on the EU? The Greens for example. And even the Tories, damn them...

Yeah but none of them have leaders who are men of the people, turn up down the pub in a flat cap, drinking ale and smoking.

 

[The Real Jim Brady]

And Ukip aren't a corrupt establishment party?

Nige the man that hates the eu so much is quite happy to take 1000's in expenses every year

I hate steie g lar, bit I'd be happy to take his money, you will struggle to find a significant amount of people who go to work for nothing, and you'll encounter the same difficulty finding people who do not claim available expenses, to use that in an argument about politics is absurd.

 

[Pienaar's gloves]

I hate steie g lar, bit I'd be happy to take his money, you will struggle to find a significant amount of people who go to work for nothing, and you'll encounter the same difficulty finding people who do not claim available expenses, to use that in an argument about politics is absurd.

Nah it's not.

Complains about EU wasting money.

Wastes EU money.

Definitely relevant.

 

[The Real Jim Brady]

Nah it's not.

Complains about EU wasting money.

Wastes EU money.

Definitely relevant.

Care to explain how you deduct that he's wasting EU money? I'm sure he puts it to good use, even if that use is buying a pint, or a new pair of fancy pants.

 

[Pienaar's gloves]

Care to explain how you deduct that he's wasting EU money? I'm sure he puts it to good use, even if that use is buying a pint, or a new pair of fancy pants.

Answered your own question there mate!

 

[The Real Jim Brady]

Answered your own question there mate!

Is it ok if I make an insulting remark about your intelligence, or will you get upset?

 

[Pienaar's gloves]

Is it ok if I make an insulting remark about your intelligence, or will you get upset?

You can stoop to such a level if you wish, the moderators might get you though.

 

[mezzrow]

The UKIP leader, Nigel Farage, is a Member of the European Parliament. UKIP believe that the European Union doesn't work, and want the UK to leave. They see it as a 'gravy train' for some people. Despite being democratically elected to represent their electorates at the European Parliament, Farage and his fellow 23 UKIP MEPs openly don't bother to do the work they were elected to do ie. they don't turn up for meetings/votes etc. They are however happy to be part of the 'gravy train' and claim their tax payer funded salary of £78,000 per year, plus considerable expenses. Farage has been doing this since 1999. Hope this helps!

Some might say that this proves the point highlighted above. Your answer would indicate that they continue to be reelected to do nothing and engage in what is basically performance art.

To quote an old song,
Nice work if you can get it
And if you get it won't you tell me how?

 

[Clint Planet]

My kind? In terms of discrimination, there is plenty I can do in my own behaviours, and I try and lead my life accordingly. Is it possible for me to alter the discrimination that still takes place in areas like job applications? I'd say not, but I can certainly ensure whenever I deal with anyone professionally that I do so ethically.

Likewise with the lot of employees. That's something I can do something about and I devote my professional life to promoting and encouraging (what I believe to be) a more enlightened way of working.

I can try and keep a lid on some of the misoginy that bubbles under on this place, or I can encourage diversity in our workplaces, but I can't cure every instance of sexual discrimination in the world.

Ones energy is finite, so I try and devote mine in ways that offer the best chance of doing something beneficial with them.

Beneficial to whom? The millions of children living in poverty in 21st century Britain? Sometimes I think you are the most blinkered man on this board. You completely refuse to engage with real, hugely important issues - and poverty and inequality are fundamental alterable issues affecting children right now all over the UK (situations they themselves did not choose to be in and with a depressingly low chance of breaking out of it, even if they happen to be talented and motivated) - and yet whitter on about what you can and cannot affect, as though I am asking you to take personal responsibility for it. I am asking you to acknowledge that child poverty is a national scandal and a betrayal of our children's futures. Once you've done that, you can at least begin to become part of a movement for real and lasting change.

 

[GBH73]

Some might say that this proves the point highlighted above. Your answer would indicate that they continue to be reelected to do nothing and engage in what is basically performance art.

To quote an old song,
Nice work if you can get it
And if you get it won't you tell me how?

Yep. Although I certainly don't want to be one of them.

It's human nature to look for a different option once all the established options stuff things up, however as you've correctly surmised, UKIP are just the Conservative Party in a rather unconvincing disguise. A bit like your own Tea Party in some ways. Although at least they still nominally belong to the Republicans.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Beneficial to whom? The millions of children living in poverty in 21st century Britain? Sometimes I think you are the most blinkered man on this board. You completely refuse to engage with real, hugely important issues - and poverty and inequality are fundamental alterable issues affecting children right now all over the UK (situations they themselves did not choose to be in and with a depressingly low chance of breaking out of it, even if they happen to be talented and motivated) - and yet whitter on about what you can and cannot affect, as though I am asking you to take personal responsibility for it. I am asking you to acknowledge that child poverty is a national scandal and a betrayal of our children's futures. Once you've done that, you can at least begin to become part of a movement for real and lasting change.

To whomever finds them beneficial. I apply my talents in the best way I know how. My other half does the same. I think you have this image of me as someone barbaric and heartless because I think believe there are better ways of helping people than the ones you subscribe to.

I've no doubt at all that poverty is an alterable condition. No doubt at all. I'm just not as pessimistic about it as you appear to be.

 

[tsubaki]

Yeah but none of them have leaders who are men of the people, turn up down the pub in a flat cap, drinking ale and smoking.

Neither do UKIP, unless the term "men of the people" includes public-school educated commodities brokers from the City.

 

[Clint Planet]

I'm not pessimistic - I've just got my eyes open. I can see this national scandal called child poverty (which can be translated to a huge inequality of opportunity for children through no fault of their own). You refuse, point blank, to acknowledge it.

 

[Clint Planet]

UKIP are racists. That much is obvious to anyone. As such, they would not be an option for me even if I did want the UK to leave the EU.

 

[tsubaki]

I'm not pessimistic - I've just got my eyes open. I can see this national scandal called child poverty (which can be translated to a huge inequality of opportunity for children through no fault of their own). You refuse, point blank, to acknowledge it.

TBH I think you are conflating two issues there. Child poverty has always and will always exist, and theres very little that the Government will ever be able to do about it beyond ensuring the state provides a subsistence level of existence.

What is a scandal is the way in which the government - and New Labour are at least as much to blame for this as the Tories are - have taken away the main means by which young people could work their way out of poverty, ie: the old grant system that allowed poor children to go to decent Universities and get a good degree debt-free. Instead they brought about a system by which people get saddled with considerable amounts of debt and recieve a less valuable degree (because of the increased numbers going) as a result.