The 2015 Popularity Contest (aka UK General Election )

[Tubey]

I wonder how many beds would be spare had unrestricted immigration been tackled over the years. People laugh but the services are being stretched to the limit. Housing, school places and hospital beds will be scarce in 20 years+ time and whilst it's not the only cause it's certainly not helping.

 

[EverBlue86]

You wont be laughing in 20 years if you've got blood in your piss but can't get a hospital appointment for love nor money. Welcome to modern day Britain my friend.

 

[roydo]

I can acknowledge when a political party I dont support does something well.

Not sure some on here can. Just saying.

 

[Tubey]

You wont be laughing in 20 years if you've got blood in your piss but can't get a hospital appointment for love nor money. Welcome to modern day Britain my friend.

I'm not laughing; I'm yawning. Because I'm bored. Because you haven't bothered to do any research to come to your blanket conclusion, so I can't debate you because you're just randomly saying something and all that will happen is you'll keep saying unsubstantiated things and present them as fact, no matter what things like this say: http://www.nuffieldtrust.org.uk/blog/queens-speech-2013-impact-immigration-nhs

 

[EverBlue86]

I'm not laughing; I'm yawning. Because I'm bored. Because you haven't bothered to do any research to come to your blanket conclusion, so I can't debate you because you're just randomly saying something and all that will happen is you'll keep saying unsubstantiated things and present them as fact, no matter what things like this say: http://www.nuffieldtrust.org.uk/blog/queens-speech-2013-impact-immigration-nhs

It makes me laugh as if unrestricted immigration is such a good thing if you were to believe the socialist Republic of GOT why is no political party willing to take UKIP head on? If they have the facts why don't they use it? They won't as it isn't a benefit.

We have one of the largest populations in the world in terms of population by land mass, we ain't a russia or USA who has the space and resources to cope with no border controls.

Socialists want the welfare state yet they also support millions of people coming over and using said welfare til it reaches the boil, and then moan and whinge when said welfare becomes unsustainable and talk of paying for health care comes in.

There are other forces at play when it comes to this such as rise in living age/elderly population and whilst that's a challenge that we need to address, right now however it's hard to see what we could actually do to reduce that burden. But with immigration we can do something and be sensible in our approach but it hasn't happened and with Moldova in the tussle between the EU and Russia should they become a member state expect the next influx to arrive unchecked.

The left are losing the battle as they live in a world of ideals. Not a world of realism, and that's from a former labour voter, when labour was labour.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

You wont be laughing in 20 years if you've got blood in your piss but can't get a hospital appointment for love nor money. Welcome to modern day Britain my friend.

Give it a rest will you, you're talking utter nonsense. I'm quite happy to entertain any point of view if they have some evidence to back it up, but you've produced nothing to back up your prejudice. Indeed, when facts have been produced to counter your willful ignorance, you go quiet for a bit until the dust has settled and you feel able to crawl back out again.

I'm equally sure that my migrant other half is dead chuffed to be going to work in the NHS alongside thousands of other migrant colleagues and have to treat ungrateful bastards like you every day. Of her unit, I'd estimate about 20% of staff are UK nationals, but I'm sure they'll be glad to know they can trim a bit of their workload by not bothering with any waste of space that puts UKIP on their ballot paper.

You'll no doubt trot out something suggesting that people like her are perfectly welcome here, but let me tell you, from the horses mouth, she certainly doesn't feel it right now, and neither do many of her migrant friends and acquaintances, all of whom are contributing fully to this country.

 

[Tubey]

It makes me laugh as if unrestricted immigration is such a good thing if you were to believe the socialist Republic of GOT why is no political party willing to take UKIP head on? If they have the facts why don't they use it? They won't as it isn't a benefit.

We have one of the largest populations in the world in terms of population by land mass, we ain't a russia or USA who has the space and resources to cope with no border controls.

Socialists want the welfare state yet they also support millions of people coming over and using said welfare til it reaches the boil, and then moan and whinge when said welfare becomes unsustainable and talk of paying for health care comes in.

There are other forces at play when it comes to this such as rise in living age/elderly population and whilst that's a challenge that we need to address, right now however it's hard to see what we could actually do to reduce that burden. But with immigration we can do something and be sensible in our approach but it hasn't happened and with Moldova in the tussle between the EU and Russia should they become a member state expect the next influx to arrive unchecked.

The left are losing the battle as they live in a world of ideals. Not a world of realism, and that's from a former labour voter, when labour was labour.

Yeah OK... http://news.sky.com/story/1164087/immigrants-contribute-25bn-tax-boost-to-uk

The reason nobody will take UKIP on is because they're cowards and cowing to people like you who believe the world is ending when they say a Romanian picking up a prescription. Pointing at Ed Milliband being the spineless, talent-less moron he is and Cameron cow-towing to his UKIP-lite backbenchers as proof immigration is a 'bad thing' is insane.

 

[Tubey]

Give it a rest will you, you're talking utter nonsense. I'm quite happy to entertain any point of view if they have some evidence to back it up, but you've produced nothing to back up your prejudice. Indeed, when facts have been produced to counter your willful ignorance, you go quiet for a bit until the dust has settled and you feel able to crawl back out again.

I'm equally sure that my migrant other half is dead chuffed to be going to work in the NHS alongside thousands of other migrant colleagues and have to treat ungrateful bastards like you every day. Of her unit, I'd estimate about 20% of staff are UK nationals, but I'm sure they'll be glad to know they can trim a bit of their workload by not bothering with any waste of space that puts UKIP on their ballot paper.

You'll no doubt trot out something suggesting that people like her are perfectly welcome here, but let me tell you, from the horses mouth, she certainly doesn't feel it right now, and neither do many of her migrant friends and acquaintances, all of whom are contributing fully to this country.

Not surprised in the slightest by this. The only way people in this country will realise how much we benefit from immigration is to actually take them all away and see what we're left with - a massive recession and a skills shortage in pretty much every professional area.

 

[toffee matt]

It makes me laugh as if unrestricted immigration is such a good thing if you were to believe the socialist Republic of GOT why is no political party willing to take UKIP head on? If they have the facts why don't they use it? They won't as it isn't a benefit.

We have one of the largest populations in the world in terms of population by land mass, we ain't a russia or USA who has the space and resources to cope with no border controls.

Socialists want the welfare state yet they also support millions of people coming over and using said welfare til it reaches the boil, and then moan and whinge when said welfare becomes unsustainable and talk of paying for health care comes in.

There are other forces at play when it comes to this such as rise in living age/elderly population and whilst that's a challenge that we need to address, right now however it's hard to see what we could actually do to reduce that burden. But with immigration we can do something and be sensible in our approach but it hasn't happened and with Moldova in the tussle between the EU and Russia should they become a member state expect the next influx to arrive unchecked.

The left are losing the battle as they live in a world of ideals. Not a world of realism, and that's from a former labour voter, when labour was labour.

It wasn't immigration that crashed the banks and caused a financial meltdown.

Their just an easy target that people historically have and still do turn on in downturns and crisis

 

[Del]

Can't we get rid of all the lazy beauts on the dole who have zero intention of finding work and keep the working immigrants

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Not surprised in the slightest by this. The only way people in this country will realise how much we benefit from immigration is to actually take them all away and see what we're left with - a massive recession and a skills shortage in pretty much every professional area.

The sad thing is, it's often said that big companies are very mobile and all that, but so too are many talented people. It's an immense compliment that so many choose to come to Britain to study and work. We should be proud of that, and it makes me equal part sad and ashamed that we're spoiling that hard earned heritage for one of hate and distrust.

 

[EverBlue86]

Yeah OK... http://news.sky.com/story/1164087/immigrants-contribute-25bn-tax-boost-to-uk

The reason nobody will take UKIP on is because they're cowards and cowing to people like you who believe the world is ending when they say a Romanian picking up a prescription. Pointing at Ed Milliband being the spineless, talent-less moron he is and Cameron cow-towing to his UKIP-lite backbenchers as proof immigration is a 'bad thing' is insane.

Again you confuse immigration and UNRESTRICTED immigration.

I hazard a guess the majority of migrants who work in the NHS are not from the EU and ironically under a sensible immigration policy those workers would be welcomed in with open arms, whilst ensuring an overspill doesn't occur which has under the current policy.

Fact is the middle class intelligentsia on here can claim higher knowledge all they want but only one side is winning this debate in the real world. All the point scoring debates on a football forum mean nothing. When you have a labour party that has lost the working man's vote you know ze times are changing

 

[Bruce Wayne]

“It would not be impossible to prove with sufficient repetition and a psychological understanding of the people concerned that a square is in fact a circle. They are mere words, and words can be molded until they clothe ideas and disguise.”

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Or maybe you prefer “The most brilliant propagandist technique will yield no success unless one fundamental principle is borne in mind constantly - it must confine itself to a few points and repeat them over and over.”

 

[Tubey]

Again you confuse immigration and UNRESTRICTED immigration.

I hazard a guess the majority of migrants who work in the NHS are not from the EU and ironically under a sensible immigration policy those workers would be welcomed in with open arms, whilst ensuring an overspill doesn't occur which has under the current policy.

Fact is the middle class intelligentsia on here can claim higher knowledge all they want but only one side is winning this debate in the real world. All the point scoring debates on a football forum mean nothing. When you have a labour party that has lost the working man's vote you know ze times are changing

http://static.guim.co.uk/ni/1390829680973/NHS_staff_graphic.pdf?guni=Article:in body link

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-24813467

You were saying?

Actually, why the hell am I doing this, I predicted exactly what would happen if I bothered 'debating' you. Just say what you want, nobody cares.