The 2015 Popularity Contest (aka UK General Election )

[Blue 1]

Didn't Labour have an EU referendum in 75?

The EU didn't exist in 1975.

 

[Clint Planet]

If it was a choice between making a tangible difference right now (for low cost) or trying to change the fabric of society.........I know which I'd be putting my money on.

Why can't we have both?

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Why can't we have both?

In a world of abundance, none at all.

 

[daylightrobber]

So what you're saying is that you discriminate opinions based on somebody's membership or allegiance to a political group, rather than looking at the facts ?

Seems like a rather narrow minded, UKIP-esque stance.

There are plenty of 'facts' to the contrary on the issue. I am more inclined to believe them and their sources, than the AEI. The AEI has a board of directors who's allegiance is to the Republican party. They make many Tory donors look like paupers based on the money they donate. I know fine well where their interests lie.Making sure that they have a disproportionate say in American and world politics.

"As the oldest of US pro-business right-wing think tanks, it promotes the advancement of free enterprise capitalism, and has been extremely successful in placing its people in influential governmental positions, particularly in the Bush Administration."

The video was made in response to a claim made by Obama who may or may not have been telling the whole truth. It is retaliatory propaganda which doesn't reflect reality.

Just to pop the cherry on the cake they also approve of government censorship of the arts.

 

[Brennan]

There are plenty of 'facts' to the contrary on the issue. I am more inclined to believe them and their sources, than the AEI. The AEI has a board of directors who's allegiance is to the Republican party. They make many Tory donors look like paupers based on the money they donate. I know fine well where their interests lie.Making sure that they have a disproportionate say in American and world politics.

"As the oldest of US pro-business right-wing think tanks, it promotes the advancement of free enterprise capitalism, and has been extremely successful in placing its people in influential governmental positions, particularly in the Bush Administration."

The video was made in response to a claim made by Obama who may or may not have been telling the whole truth. It is retaliatory propaganda which doesn't reflect reality.

Just to pop the cherry on the cake they also approve of government censorship of the arts.

Are there ? Or there misinterpretations of numbers ?

 

[Clint Planet]

In a world of abundance, none at all.

Abundance has nothing to do with it. Nothing at all.

 

[SNova]

The video was made in response to a claim made by Obama who may or may not have been telling the whole truth. It is retaliatory propaganda which doesn't reflect reality.

Yes Obama made the inequality claim to gain popularity. Misrepresenting data and ironically the same 'wage gap' was also present in the White House with the men earning more. I tend to follow people if they use facts, logic and reason. I don't care if they are right wing or left wing.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Abundance has nothing to do with it. Nothing at all.

Always choices to be made though aren't there? We can't do everything we want to do, whether through lack of time, lack of manpower, lack of money etc. When you're faced with those kind of choices all you can ask is what's most likely to make a difference given the resources we have available.

 

[Groucho]

Interesting article on austerity here; http://www.theguardian.com/business/ng-interactive/2015/apr/29/the-austerity-delusion

Excerpt;

I don’t know how many Britons realise the extent to which their economic debate has diverged from the rest of the western world – the extent to which the UK seems stuck on obsessions that have been mainly laughed out of the discourse elsewhere. George Osborne and David Cameron boast that their policies saved Britain from a Greek-style crisis of soaring interest rates, apparently oblivious to the fact that interest rates are at historic lows all across the western world. The press seizes on Ed Miliband’s failure to mention the budget deficit in a speech as a huge gaffe, a supposed revelation of irresponsibility; meanwhile, Hillary Clinton is talking, seriously, not about budget deficits but about the “fun deficit” facing America’s children.

 

[glorydaze]

The EU didn't exist in 1975.

EU,EEC. Potatoes, potatoes

 

[daylightrobber]

Yes Obama made the inequality claim to gain popularity. Misrepresenting data and ironically the same 'wage gap' was also present in the White House with the men earning more. I tend to follow people if they use facts, logic and reason. I don't care if they are right wing or left wing.

says the person who thinks we're going to be invaded by sailor islamists

 

[Groucho]

For those who've read the link on my post above, initially I didn't realise it was as long as War and Peace. The TL;DR is "austerity is a con unique to UK party campaigns".

 

[Clint Planet]

Always choices to be made though aren't there?

True, but abundance has little or nothing to do with it so don't try to make out that it does. Basically, you're not only happy to let the footy game of 14 vs 10 (with the ref being the dad of one of the larger team, remember?) go one with out being challenged or questioned, but you also have the nerve to criticise anyone who complains about how crooked the game is. Instead, you stand at the side of the pitch, shouting tips at the depleted side and telling them to keep their chins up.

 

[SNova]

says the person who thinks we're going to be invaded by sailor islamists

This is an outcome that can happen from the new plans. Isn't bringing this fact up a sensible idea? it's called risk assessment.

 

[roydo]

True, but abundance has little or nothing to do with it so don't try to make out that it does. Basically, you're not only happy to let the footy game of 14 vs 10 (with the ref being the dad of the larger team, remember?) go one with out being challenged or questioned, but you also have the nerve to criticise anyone who complains about how crooked the game is. Instead, you stand at the side of the pitch, shouting tips at the depleted side and telling them to keep their chins up.

Reminds me of being regulated by the Financial Conduct Authority that.