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The Ashes 2013 Thread

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Bigmaclad said:
The Old Trafford pitch was perfect, pace in it for the seamers, comes onto the bat nicely, and enough turn and bounce for the spinners

This pitch is slow, there's very little lateral movement, conventional or reverse swing, the batsmen are struggling with timing at times, and there's not much for the spinner (granted it is day 1)
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this is what i don't understand. They're test players, supposedly the best in the whole word at doing what they do, yet they struggle to aclimatize to certain pitches? why can't they? i understand them finding it hard e.g. compared to indian batsman in sub-continent. But surely after a couple of overs of the match you can say, hmm slow pitch, i better play this way.
 
Bigmaclad said:
The Old Trafford pitch was perfect, pace in it for the seamers, comes onto the bat nicely, and enough turn and bounce for the spinners

This pitch is slow, there's very little lateral movement, conventional or reverse swing, the batsmen are struggling with timing at times, and there's not much for the spinner (granted it is day 1)
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The grounds staff played a blinder at OT, as that developed holes in the first innings..
I was amazed how well that played until the last ball was bowled.
 

toffeejack said:
this is what i don't understand. They're test players, supposedly the best in the whole word at doing what they do, yet they struggle to aclimatize to certain pitches? why can't they? i understand them finding it hard e.g. compared to indian batsman in sub-continent. But surely after a couple of overs of the match you can say, hmm slow pitch, i better play this way.
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Its played so much in the mind. Cricketers are odd sportsmen. The suicide rate after they finish as astonishingly high, compared to other sports, and all though it is a team sport, as a batsman, it isnt at all really. Why it makes it compelling for me.

Like KP today. Scored a century at OT, then against the same bowlers, was out for what, 15/16 odd? 12 months ago Cook was the best opener in the world. ATM he looks baffled and at times a walking wicket.

And that Aussie No 11 in the 1st test, 98 on debut, dropped now. Must do your head in!
 
roydo said:
Its played so much in the mind. Cricketers are odd sportsmen. The suicide rate after they finish as astonishingly high, compared to other sports, and all though it is a team sport, as a batsman, it isnt at all really. Why it makes it compelling for me.

Like KP today. Scored a century at OT, then against the same bowlers, was out for what, 15/16 odd? 12 months ago Cook was the best opener in the world. ATM he looks baffled and at times a walking wicket.

And that Aussie No 11 in the 1st test, 98 on debut, dropped now. Must do your head in!
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Bit of an odd post, Agar was dropped because he was in the team as a spinner. Had a one in a million knock but ultimately he wasn't getting wickets, hence dropped.

Cook's form was always going to have a drop, he's been one of the best around over the past few years with the number of runs he's scored. He still got a 50 today and has made 3 throughout the series, hardly scintillating stuff but not Bairstow standard... He was also very unlucky as the ball that got him was an absolute beauty, would of got out every left hander playing.

As for KP he again is due an off day, after scoring a century it is hardly easy to get back into the same mindset on a different pitch and just get another hundred, if he could do that, he'd be the best in the world.

Finally the suicide rate stat is interesting, one I'd not heard of before. As a psychologist it's something that will really interests me, something to look into!
 
toffeemax said:
Bit of an odd post, Agar was dropped because he was in the team as a spinner. Had a one in a million knock but ultimately he wasn't getting wickets, hence dropped.

Cook's form was always going to have a drop, he's been one of the best around over the past few years with the number of runs he's scored. He still got a 50 today and has made 3 throughout the series, hardly scintillating stuff but not Bairstow standard... He was also very unlucky as the ball that got him was an absolute beauty, would of got out every left hander playing.

As for KP he again is due an off day, after scoring a century it is hardly easy to get back into the same mindset on a different pitch and just get another hundred, if he could do that, he'd be the best in the world.

Finally the suicide rate stat is interesting, one I'd not heard of before. As a psychologist it's something that will really interests me, something to look into!
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Good post this.
 
good posts lads. interested to see how england will fare with the ball. Think aussies will have another good day myself, hopefully get rodgers early and take it from there.
 

already looks as if onions would have been a better pick than bresnan. suppose bresnan can swing it a fair bit himself, needs to bowl that as opposed to hit the deck
 
beauty. when he pitches it up, broad is one of the best bowlers in the world. Sadly, he pitches it too short too often. I remember when he was badly off form last year and they told him, he didn't even realise he was pitching it short, bit of a weird one. good delivery that
 

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