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The Ashes 2023

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McBain said:
Both keepers, in one motion, attempt to hit the stumps after they take the the ball.

Bairstow had a massive brain fart and paid for it.
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Bairstow marked his crease after ball 6 of the over. He clearly wasn't trying to run. I'm still absolutely confused why it wasn't the over.

The only way I think this would have been ok was if he has was batting outside his crease and didn't regain his ground at any point.
 
It was a sneaky stumping similar to a bowler knocking the bails off a batsman who's backing up too far. Usually, this would result in a friendly warning but in the heat of battle yesterday that wasn't going to happen.
At the end of the day Bairstow was given out, and that should have been that but excess of beer and bile led to unpleasant scenes. The members especially seemed to have taken leave of their senses. Apologies all round I'd say.
 

JimmyJeffers said:
Morning everyone. Have we got to the bottom of all this yet?
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neil999 said:
Actually think mankad is more legitimate dismissal as your gaining an advantage by being out of your crease, bairstow gained no advantage... I dont blame the keeper, as spur of the moment.. Captain should have withdrawn appeal
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I think Neil has although davek produced a different take earlier in the thread by suggesting bairstow shouldn't be a fat upper class ginge, it was a compelling counter argument.
 
JimmyJeffers said:
Morning everyone. Have we got to the bottom of all this yet?
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Two former England captains have had their say - describing Bairstow as living "in his own bubble" and "dozy":

Former England white-ball captain Eoin Morgan:

"There was a huge sense of frustration [in the crowd] but I can't understand why? It's complete naivety around Bairstow's dismissal.

"The ball is not dead at any stage when Bairstow leaves his crease. He was obviously in his own little bubble - and you cannot do that.

"It's actually really smart from Carey, recognising what is going on - Bairstow living in his own little world - and seeing an opportunity to take a wicket. I don't see it compromising the spirit of the game."

Former England captain, Sir Andrew Strauss:

"Australia are the villains, as far as England fans are concerned - especially Cummins and his decision not to withdraw that appeal of Bairstow.

"Cummins will get plenty of stick for the rest of the series, I would've thought, off the back of that.

"You could argue that it was against the spirit of cricket. In truth, I think there was absolutely nothing wrong with it but, of course, the crowd will see it through English patriotic eyes.

"Bairstow was being dozy going outside of his crease. I was pretty comfortable with what Australia did."
 
davek said:
Two former England captains have had their say - describing Bairstow as living "in his own bubble" and "dozy":

Former England white-ball captain Eoin Morgan:

"There was a huge sense of frustration [in the crowd] but I can't understand why? It's complete naivety around Bairstow's dismissal.

"The ball is not dead at any stage when Bairstow leaves his crease. He was obviously in his own little bubble - and you cannot do that.

"It's actually really smart from Carey, recognising what is going on - Bairstow living in his own little world - and seeing an opportunity to take a wicket. I don't see it compromising the spirit of the game."

Former England captain, Sir Andrew Strauss:

"Australia are the villains, as far as England fans are concerned - especially Cummins and his decision not to withdraw that appeal of Bairstow.

"Cummins will get plenty of stick for the rest of the series, I would've thought, off the back of that.

"You could argue that it was against the spirit of cricket. In truth, I think there was absolutely nothing wrong with it but, of course, the crowd will see it through English patriotic eyes.

"Bairstow was being dozy going outside of his crease. I was pretty comfortable with what Australia did."
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@ToffeeTim there you have it.
 
neil999 said:
Actually think mankad is more legitimate dismissal as your gaining an advantage by being out of your crease, bairstow gained no advantage... I dont blame the keeper, as spur of the moment.. Captain should have withdrawn appeal
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This is the absolute key to the discussion.

The mankad is like a baseball player stealing bases, Bairstow simply walked out of his crease, to tend to the pitch, a little earlier than when the ball was officially called dead.

Was it out, yes, was it lacking sportsmanship, in my opinion also yes.

Just like mankad, that one incident may have changed the way it is officially called dead and/or batsmen behaviour. Broads reaction could actually become the norm, staying in the crease until the bastman is absolutely sure that the ball is officially dead.
 

McBain said:
Hahahahahahaha wtf its exactly the same thing
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It isn’t.

Bairstow makes his mark, and thinks the ball is dead.

Marnus leaves the ball and bairstow tries to hit the stumps as a run out part of the action.

They’re different. There’s an assumption and trust amongst the players of when a ball is dead and they went against that.

Bairstow is stupid but it’s the wrong thing to do.
 

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