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The bending of PSR rules

Who was that player a few years ago we weren't allowed to sign so another club did (Greek club?) and we then signed him from them? It was a situation similar to that at least.
 
Goat said:
Premier League Clubs have been selling players to each other since the League was formed.

There is nothing that can be done.

I also think people are being harsh on the players involved.

The Tim fella had a successful loan at QPR and has played sparingly for Premier League Villa
Dobbin scored a cracking goal at Chelsea and has played sparingly for Premier League Everton

These aint 2 lads from the National League.
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Yeah there’s simply nothing that can or will be done as long as things are within a range of fair value and these deals easily are.

Any “clampdown” on deals like this would require a club vote and club owners are simply not going to vote to restrict their ability to freely negotiate transfers.
 
The problem is that the rules are there to ensure football clubs are ran properly and don't get themselves in the hole we found ourselves the past 2 years. Are Everton and Villa any more profitable and sustainable now they've swapped Tim and Dobbin? The rules say we're about 7 million better off each - in reality nothing has changed
 

The PL would prefer to avoid PSR breaches if they can. It saves them a lot of money, as they have to employ lawyers to make a case against their own clubs, which is nothing but a headache and costs them a fortune.

So they will have no problem with perfectly legitimate player trading, especially if it also saves them an absolute fortune in lawyer fees.
 
EFC_FRANCIS said:
That Kellyman deal is quite clearly substantially inflated to the point it would be hard for Chelsea to justify if not for the fact they've also spent a billion on other teenagers
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Didn't realise kellyman was off to Chelsea. He is very highly rated to be fair. What fee has been mentioned?
 
chopper6 said:
Interesting debate on Twitter about whether the premier league will find a way to stop these obvious academy player swap deals to boost PSR position.

What’s your takes on it?

I can’t see how they can control/ stop it. As long as they aren’t over inflated prices, which I don’t think Dobbin/ Villa Tim fella are?!

10 mill for two young prospects with potential/ England youth caps & Championship experience seems a fair price?

I’m loving the fact we are being savvy. It’s obvious what’s going on, but can the hideous Masters stop this happening?

I don’t think he can…
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I think it will be difficult to prove. Also Chelsea are trying to do it with Villa as well. Some would argue they actually did it last season, they sold Mount to Man Utd because of how well it worked for them with PSR, although they bought a replacement from Man City (Cole Palmer).

The premier league have already said that they can’t stop Chelsea selling hotels and training grounds to their owners to stop Chelsea breaching the PSR. I think it would be difficult for them to do it to us and Villa over this deal for Dobbin and Iroegbunam
 

Damo_1878 said:
People are forgetting what PSR actually was brought in for.

It was a "cost control measure" (regulation) to push down on player wages and/or transfer fee inflation, without putting a direct- player wage cap in place that could be challenged under EU law

It was not about trying to catch clubs and punitively punish them as some Evertonians seem to think. It was about trying to reduce inflationary pressure in the game

As for Joe Thomas, he's simply looking for likes and click bait. Playing on a sense of grievance some Evertonians have.
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Still think the point is valid regarding the interest on the stadium finances but acknowledge that was not the thrust of the original post.
 
brucemate said:
Still think the point is valid regarding the interest on the stadium finances but acknowledge that was not the thrust of the original post.
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It was a definite "anomaly" and was not treated in accordance with previous club stadium developments

However, that is as much the gross incompetence and downright uselessness of the ex Chairman and his CEO and the outgoing majority owner. They according to Premier League breached the August 2021 agreement. Which led to the attitude EFC faced.

We all know Bill Kenwright has a long history of his words not matching deeds
 
There's a price to be paid for doing this. Clubs have less to spend in future years as the amortization bites, plus they commit to five years of wages if they want to amortize over five years. It's not free money, by any means.

In principle, clubs could engage in an unending cycle of nonsense trades at ever-increasing prices, and stay ahead of the game...until the league puts their foot down. Sooner or later, the league would argue that the transactions are obviously fraudulent because the players involved aren't paid wages comparable to those received by other players sold for similar fees. At that point, teams doing this heavily would be in a financial pickle for several years.

If two clubs want to do it to smooth out a speed bump here and there, it's not an issue. If it becomes a systemic problem, it will take care of itself in the end, and justice will be handed out. There's nothing to worry about.

The difference with Juve was that they were publicly listed and subject to securities laws with respect to inflating asset values.
 

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