The David Moyes debate

[Dutch Toffee]

A brilliant manager but an unadventurous coach.

I can live with that assesment of our manager.

 

[Goat]

Wow..

I can just about tolerate "funding" Kenwrongs mission to destroy the Club from within, if and when Moyes leaves, whoever we get in will be a backwards step and I aint riding that train.

If the Board was to change, I would review my postion.

 

[Roztitute]

Its not the 1st time for me.

Ive often thought he would quit a few times.

Oh well, it will save me £500 a Season, so every silver lining and all that.

You're gunna stop buying a season ticket if Moyes leaves? For lots I think it'll be the polar opposite.

 

[Brennan]

I can just about tolerate "funding" Kenwrongs mission to destroy the Club from within, if and when Moyes leaves, whoever we get in will be a backwards step and I aint riding that train.

If the Board was to change, I would review my postion.

Moyes came from Preston with zero pedigree. Asserting that nobody could do the job he has done for £3m a year is madness.

 

[Goat]

You're gunna stop buying a season ticket if Moyes leaves? For lots I think it'll be the polar opposite.

Its their money, they can spend it how they please.

Moyes came from Preston with zero pedigree. Asserting that nobody could do the job he has done for £3m a year is madness.

Im 100% certain that they couldnt.

 

[Brennan]

Im 100% certain that they couldnt.

Where did you buy your crystal ball ? I'm in the market for one.

 

[Xavi]

And why do Everton have such a stronger squad?

Could it be that Evertons Manager, David Moyes, has used the little cash hes had better than Wigans 3-4 Managers?

That's exactly why, we have a better squad because the managers signed better players, it's not only Wigan who fall into this debate, Sunderland have signed about 5 different team's over the last 5 seasons and where do they finish year on year, exactly

 

[Roztitute]

Im 100% certain that they couldnt.

 

[Goat]

Where did you buy your crystal ball ? I'm in the market for one.

The same place the Owen Coyle beauts get theres from.

 

[kenada_blue]

How come we have only gone back two years?

Because if he went back further hed point out weve spent more overall.

 

[Brennan]

The same place the Owen Coyle beauts get theres from.

Who are these Owen Coyle people anyway ?

 

[Seamus Colemole]

Goats going all damon again.

I don't like it when he does that

 

[Goat]

Because if he went back further hed point out weve spent more overall.

Im fairly sure there wouldnt be a great difference, I mean considering Wigan only joined the Premier League in 2005, we really should be outspending little no mark Clubs.

But I really cba comparing our transfer spend to Wigans.

You can do it tho, heres the figures, add them up.

Wigan
-£1,800,000
£7,350,000
-£15,300,000
-£500,000
£1,150,000
£5,600,000
£3,650,000
£0
£1,615,000
£275,000

Everton
-£7,500,000
-£1,700,000
-£2,800,000
£6,500,500
£10,500,000
£4,000,000
£25,100,000
-£20,200,000
£1,550,000
£8,250,000
£975,000

 

[Goat]

Who are these Owen Coyle people anyway ?

No idea really.

Goats going all damon again.

I don't like it when he does that

Yeah I know.

Me neither really.

Im done again, I shall again refrain from talking up David Moyes, but when I do that, I honestly feel like the entire board becomes an Anti-Moyes forum only.

 

[davek]

Yeah, i've said before about how you cannot fairly compare Moyes and the job he's done here in his 10 years to other managers who haven't worked in the same situations at the same club with the same restraints for the same timespan.

There are so many variables which can determine how well a manager does other than purely how good he is.

If Moyes tookover in 2002 that season we finished 15th but not a lot he could do about that so i'll start from his first full season.

2003 : 7th
2004 : 17th
2005 : 4th
2006 : 11th
2007 : 7th

Over 5 years thats an average finish of 9th.

Compare that to the previous 5 seasons :

2002 : 15th
2001 : 16th
2000 : 13th
1999 : 14th
1998 : 17th

Over 5 years thats an average finish of 15th.

Of course after his first 5 years he then steadied us even higher than 9th with several consectutive top 6 finishes, no doubt that he has done a good job here considering where we were and how much he's had to spend.

But it just goes to show how important it is to allow a manager time to actually do his job.

If he'd of been sacked after the 17th and 11th placed finishes we could all be talking about David Moyes in the same breathe as every other manager who never achieved what Moyes has done because they were sacked before being given the full chance to do so. Yes Moyes is the only 1 to get a 4th place finish out of them though.

How many other managers have managed 1 team in the Premier league for 5 years at least? How did they do in those 5 years and how have they done if given longer than 5 years?

Mkae no mistake, being given the opportunity to actually do his job has allowed Moyes to prove he was good at it.

Good working out mate.

The second five years he gets us even higher avg league placing with I'd guess less net spend than the first five. So he's obviously getting the benefit of bedding the previous crop down and, again obviously, that only happens if you get the time to see it through. Because the tactic of longevity hasn't been adopted across the board in this cut-throat industry it's hard to fathom whether that makes Moyes special or not. We simply have nothing to compare him with in that respect. All we can say is:

a) his PL record is plateauing out now

and

b ) (and more observation/opinion) most people would say the quality of team performance has dropped off and his decision making is still miles off at crucial times as he shows limited ability to learn from previous errors.