The David Moyes debate

[Goat]

Best Manager in Europe for me.

 

[Khalekan]

Then do doubt Bruce Buck and Mr. Levy will be fighting each other to fetch him to London in the summer.

 

[Great Dane]

Agree. If he'd have said that what came before Moyes was unpredictability: highs and lows in equal measure; and that has to be compared to the solid certainty we've had since Moyes took over, then that would have been fair comment...and a fair question to ask the readers by way of a preference.

TBH, I'm amazed he even went as far as he did. It either means he's been tipped off something is afoot or, more likely, he feels the need to show how *in touch* he is with the mood on the street.

I am really amazed at the slack journalism that constantly praises Moyes. It seems that all articles have to include the following:
- bigger than Everton
- we are so lucky to have him
- glass ceiling
- etc.

 

[Khalekan]

This is why the club desperately needs to part company with Moyes, IMO

Every mistake he makes is glossed over and EFC is expected to smile benignly and accept it because we "are lucky" to have him.

Everton made his name.......it isn't the other way round.

It is like being married to a woman who treats you with indifference and remains aloof from you but you are afraid to leave her because your self esteem is so low you feel you will be all alone and unloved if you do so.

Moyes has very successfuly manouevered himself into a position where he is seen as succeeding against all odds.

In the process he has lowered our self esteem, lowered our expectations (whilst all the time claiming his job is made harder because he has "raised" expectations) and is now over shadowing our football club.

For Moyes, mediocrity rules and it comes with a nice £3 million a year pay cheque.

And he needs to be stopped.

 

[Dom1878]

Watching the press conference ahead of the United match, Moyes goes on about going there to win - using the senior players to win - but through the entire thing he just looks miserable, honestly doesnt look like he is enthusiastic whatsoever.

Fully expecting to go there and lose 4-0 and do United a favour.

 

[thebluefox]

Best Manager in Europe for me.

bit early to be on the chuff in it lad

 

[Khalekan]

It's a wonder he never blathered on about the "knife to a gunfight" mallarkey.

I don't think we will be bearen heavily.....I can see it being the usual at OT, hang on for about an hour then concede. Try to rally and concede another.

It would be best if United score after about a half hour so we have a longer time to change the game.

 

[Dom1878]

This is why the club desperately needs to part company with Moyes, IMO

Every mistake he makes is glossed over and EFC is expected to smile benignly and accept it because we "are lucky" to have him.

Everton made his name.......it isn't the other way round.

It is like being married to a woman who treats you with indifference and remains aloof from you but you are afraid to leave her because your self esteem is so low you feel you will be all alone and unloved if you do so.

Moyes has very successfuly manouevered himself into a position where he is seen as succeeding against all odds.

In the process he has lowered our self esteem, lowered our expectations (whilst all the time claiming his job is made harder because he has "raised" expectations) and is now over shadowing our football club.

For Moyes, mediocrity rules and it comes with a nice £3 million a year pay cheque.

And he needs to be stopped.

Completely agree.

Moyes has it made for him here. He got us up from a relegation club to where we are now, but its been a downhill slope - and near the top of the hill he got a £60k a week contract. Now he gets praise for which ever league position we are in - wether it is 7th or 15th because of finances and the squad we have available. Well we have a squad which is good enough for top 7 easy.

The press never blamed Moyes for the first half of this season, didnt even say anything - but as soon as we do well its all thanks to Moyes. Its quite frustrating to be honest - yes he does well, but i hate the way he hardly gets criticised.

Moyes is now in a position where he can't be fired as we cant even afford that, and no matter what he does he will never be criticised because it will always go down to the lack of money we have - never the management. He must be loving his position at the moment.

 

[Dom1878]

It's a wonder he never blathered on about the "knife to a gunfight" mallarkey.

I don't think we will be bearen heavily.....I can see it being the usual at OT, hang on for about an hour then concede. Try to rally and concede another.

It would be best if United score after about a half hour so we have a longer time to change the game.

When you say change the game, you mean plan B - get Anichebe on and switch Fellaini and Cahill?

 

[Khalekan]

Yip........

 

[Callum]

Watching the press conference ahead of the United match, Moyes goes on about going there to win - using the senior players to win - but through the entire thing he just looks miserable, honestly doesnt look like he is enthusiastic whatsoever.

Fully expecting to go there and lose 4-0 and do United a favour.

I like Moyes but he won't go there to win. He will throw 11 men behind the ball and isolate the striker in the hope of a counter attack or set piece to nick us a goal. Now we don't have the pace to hurt on a counter attack, so it's kind of stupid to go out with that idea with Everton.

We seem to have quite a lot of fans who are content with getting beat at United by 1 or 2 goals because we don't have the quality but we go there with the same game plan every single year and it's frustrating. 10 years and he's never ever looked like winning there, it's disgusting.

 

[BoysInBlue]

All I know is that we need a major change of things in the summer, because we can't have another summer like last year - months of inaction before a major player (Fellaini?) gets sold for big money in late August, leading to a late scramble for loans.

I love Moyes, but I'm sick of our media perception of 'holding him back' or being a 'stepping stone' for him. If he wants to go, let him go. Kenwright is the one who really needs to go, but who knows if that will ever happen. Everyone knows we desperately need investment. Let's have a clean slate and decide things early. Either get Moyes signed to a new deal, of if he is to leave, get him out of the door as soon as the season ends. The last thing we need is Moyes leaving in the middle of preseason. We need to get any signings done early, like other clubs seem able to do. We need a spark from somewhere. Everyone always goes on about copying us, maybe we should look at what Newcastle have done. Championship to nearly the Champions League in 2-3 years is some achievement. The way they rebuilt after binning off the players who got them promoted (Barton, Nolan, Carroll etc) is impressive. Goes without saying if a club like them can do that, there's no reason we can't.

Above all else, we need to prepare well and have a good start to next season.

 

[Khalekan]

Great post, BiB.

This is why I think Moyes needs to go.

Like you, I get angry when I read in the papers or hear on the radio that EFC are "holding him back".

 

[Clint Planet]

Every time I mention to a non-Blue (latest examples being a Wolves fan, a Forest fan, a Derby fan and a City fan in Madrid last week) that a certain proportion of the Everton fanbase want to get shut of of Moyes they look at me aghast, wide-eyed and open-mouthed.

 

[little curly alan ball]

Careful what yous wish for ..

Tellin Ya ..

I KNOW LOADS ON HERE CANT HAVE Ginge , But IM SAYIN ..

We GO DOWNHILL , next 3-5 Years IRRESPECTIVE of replacements ...

My Two Penneth .. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

An Yes , He COULD WELL FUK OFF ...

So , get the Tinnies In , Haters ...

#CarryOn