The EU deal

[Whistlin' Dixie]

Anyone with half a brain must realise we're better off in than out, won't they ?

There are emotional, Little Britain, reasons for wanting out, and I can understand people getting caught up in that, but I'd hope that anyone with a smidgeon of intelligence would recognise the benefits of being in the EU.

The clincher for me is that Boris Johnson wants us out. Boris is highly intelligent but also a fool. If he becomes leader of the Tories he's our best chance of a Labour party under Corbyn winning the next election ( which would be ace )

However, if Boris says Out is good, then I'm defo in the Remain camp.

I'm no fan of Johnson's, dummkopf-schmitt's, grayling's, farage's et al. I'm not voting 'out' for, or because of them - I'm voting for what I believe's best for the nation. It just so happens that I agree with the basic principles of the campaign.

Gidiot osborne says "remain"...A 7 year old kid has stumped that toff moron. He can't even get figures right for the next three months, and has done more u-turns than a driving instructor does throughout a 40 year career.

And then there's camoron...As I've said previously - It's hobson's choice, but a choice that has to be made.

It's right to be cynical about the promoters of both sides of the argument, but at least be balanced about it and promote your side of the argument, rather than questioning the lack of intelligence of the electorate and labelling them 'little englanders'.

There was a time we weren't in the EU (Or EEC as was) and were doing rather well trading with the rest of the planet. We joined a common market, we didn't join a federal superstate. We weren't asked if we wanted laws imposed on us; it was never meant to be part of what we originally agreed on/ voted for.

The EU commission is currently trying to negotiate exemption from TTIP for health provision.

This disagrees...Along with several other instances/reports could show you.

http://www.patients4nhs.org.uk/eu-us-free-trade-agreement-or-ttip/

• The Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership (TTIP) currently being negotiated between the EU and the US (for more details, see below).

These FTAs are prompting widespread concern among civil society groups. For instance, Cecilia Malstrom is currently the EU’s Trade Commissioner and in charge of trade and investment policy for all 28 EU member states, including the UK. In a recent interview, she made it clear that the huge public opposition that we are seeing to treaties such as TTIP (such as the 250,000 strong demonstration in Berlin in October 2015, or the petition signed by over 3 million European citizens against the treaty) is irrelevant: despite officially in post to follow the wishes of the elected governments of Europe, she said that she does not take her mandate from the European people.

• Overall, FTAs involve irreversible commitments made at a level of international trade law that trumps national law: once signed, it is almost impossible for a national government to cancel an FTA, or withdraw some of the commitments made. In other words, FTAs give far-reaching rights to transnational corporations while severely undermining the power of democratically elected governments and our national sovereignty.

And do you really think we won't end up with a potentially worse version of TTIP outside the EU, seeing as the Tories have been advocates for much of the worst of it?

If you'd read my earlier posts you'll have noticed I said that TTIP will render the privatisation process irreversible and we wouldn't have any power to stop it, whereas a tory govt OUTSIDE the EU would face stiff opposition if they tried to do what TTIP would do.

Yes, they've privatised piecemeal up to now, but to do it wholesale like (TTIP'd make it) would see them out on their arses almost immediately.

They'd be facing strike after strike across all sectors and would no doubt be booted out at the next election. We can't boot the EU commissioners out unless we vote out in the referendum

 

[Blue 1]

I'm no fan of Johnson's, dummkopf-schmitt's, grayling's, farage's et al. I'm not voting 'out' for, or because of them - I'm voting for what I believe's best for the nation. It just so happens that I agree with the basic principles of the campaign.

Gidiot osborne says "remain"...A 7 year old kid has stumped that toff moron. He can't even get figures right for the next three months, and has done more u-turns than a driving instructor does throughout a 40 year career.

And then there's camoron...As I've said previously - It's hobson's choice, but a choice that has to be made.

It's right to be cynical about the promoters of both sides of the argument, but at least be balanced about it and promote your side of the argument, rather than questioning the lack of intelligence of the electorate and labelling them 'little englanders'.

There was a time we weren't in the EU (Or EEC as was) and were doing rather well trading with the rest of the planet. We joined a common market, we didn't join a federal superstate. We weren't asked if we wanted laws imposed on us; it was never meant to be part of what we originally agreed on/ voted for.



This disagrees...Along with several other instances/reports could show you.

http://www.patients4nhs.org.uk/eu-us-free-trade-agreement-or-ttip/

• The Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership (TTIP) currently being negotiated between the EU and the US (for more details, see below).

These FTAs are prompting widespread concern among civil society groups. For instance, Cecilia Malstrom is currently the EU’s Trade Commissioner and in charge of trade and investment policy for all 28 EU member states, including the UK. In a recent interview, she made it clear that the huge public opposition that we are seeing to treaties such as TTIP (such as the 250,000 strong demonstration in Berlin in October 2015, or the petition signed by over 3 million European citizens against the treaty) is irrelevant: despite officially in post to follow the wishes of the elected governments of Europe, she said that she does not take her mandate from the European people.

• Overall, FTAs involve irreversible commitments made at a level of international trade law that trumps national law: once signed, it is almost impossible for a national government to cancel an FTA, or withdraw some of the commitments made. In other words, FTAs give far-reaching rights to transnational corporations while severely undermining the power of democratically elected governments and our national sovereignty.

If you'd read my earlier posts you'll have noticed I said that TTIP will render the privatisation process irreversible and we wouldn't have any power to stop it, whereas a tory govt OUTSIDE the EU would face stiff opposition if they tried to do what TTIP would do.

Yes, they've privatised piecemeal up to now, but to do it wholesale like (TTIP'd make it) would see them out on their arses almost immediately.

They'd be facing strike after strike across all sectors and would no doubt be booted out at the next election. We can't boot the EU commissioners out unless we vote out in the referendum

No need to shout, I understand what TTIP could potentially do and I am opposed to it, I just don't think it's a reason to vote out, and the likelihood is that the NHS will be exempted from it.

To be honest, this referendum is like being asked to choose which turd sandwich I'd like best.

Brexit is being led by the nationalist far right and I don't wish to see them any more empowered across the continent than they already are, which is already far too much.

 

[The Cowboy]

No need to shout, I understand what TTIP could potentially do and I am opposed to it, I just don't think it's a reason to vote out, and the likelihood is that the NHS will be exempted from it.

To be honest, this referendum is like being asked to choose which turd sandwich I'd like best.

Brexit is being led by the nationalist far right and I don't wish to see them any more empowered across the continent than they already are, which is already far too much.

Nationalist far right lol behave yourself.

 

[Whistlin' Dixie]

No need to shout, I understand what TTIP could potentially do and I am opposed to it, I just don't think it's a reason to vote out, and the likelihood is that the NHS will be exempted from it.

To be honest, this referendum is like being asked to choose which turd sandwich I'd like best.

Brexit is being led by the nationalist far right and I don't wish to see them any more empowered across the continent than they already are, which is already far too much.

Werent shouting mate - just highlighting the point for you & others so they get the gist in case they haven't been following what's been said. It's important to highlight that there is nothing to determine that we can exempt the NHS...Weren't that long ago boris thought we could, too.

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/boris-john...ents-are-absurdly-hostile-misinformed-1470858

Agree about the turd sandwich bit...Unfortunately, it's one or t'other. It seems to me to be more of a certain future if we rip it up & start all over on terms we get a say in, rather than let others dictate terms on our behalf that we might not agree with.

I'm far from far right, but even I understand we need to govern ourselves with the certainty responsibility, and accountability it brings. I wouldn't walk a tightrope if someone told me it's safe unless I set it up meself.

 

[Seathestars]

I'd like to ask those that wish to remain a question.

Knowing what we know, if the vote next month was to join the EU, would you vote yes, to join ?

 

[The Cowboy]

I'd like to ask those that wish to remain a question.

Knowing what we know, if the vote next month was to join the EU, would you vote yes, to join ?

An interesting question, but considering our country is currently set up and operating as an EU state, surely it's impossible to answer? I mean, things would be very much different if we weren't already a member and considering application for entry.

 

[Seathestars]

An interesting question, but considering our country is currently set up and operating as an EU state, surely it's impossible to answer? I mean, things would be very much different if we weren't already a member and considering application for entry.

Yes it is a Hypothetical question, but we have seen enough of what goes on in other Countries who are members and who are not to make a judgement, I think anyway.
I look at Norway and think, do we really need to be part of this.

 

[peteblue]

No need to shout, I understand what TTIP could potentially do and I am opposed to it, I just don't think it's a reason to vote out, and the likelihood is that the NHS will be exempted from it.

To be honest, this referendum is like being asked to choose which turd sandwich I'd like best.

Brexit is being led by the nationalist far right and I don't wish to see them any more empowered across the continent than they already are, which is already far too much.

You do many millions of people an injustice saying that it's being led by nationalist far right. Most Brexit supporters tend to be older people who saw life before the EEC and saw the calamity that followed our membership of the ERM. We left the ERM and prospered, we can leave the EU and prosper. What I find difficult to understand is why the remainers are so frightened of running their own country again. We are the 5th biggest economy on the planet, we have the 4/5th best equipped military, we have a seat on the UN Security Council, we are members of the Commonwealth, we have a nuclear deterrent, we have experience of trading with pretty well every country in the world. Why are you all so frightened of leaving the EU, it's like the bleeding kids who won't leave home..........

 

[The Cowboy]

Yes it is a Hypothetical question, but we have seen enough of what goes on in other Countries who are members and who are not to make a judgement, I think anyway.
I look at Norway and think, do we really need to be part of this.

Sure, I see your point but when this country has been shaped by the EU for so long, it's difficult to know how it would look (and how attractive EU membership would be) if we had been outside the EU this whole time.

 

[daylightrobber]

Yes it is a Hypothetical question, but we have seen enough of what goes on in other Countries who are members and who are not to make a judgement, I think anyway.
I look at Norway and think, do we really need to be part of this.

You really look at Norway and think that? What part of Regulation without representation appeals?

 

[Seathestars]

You really look at Norway and think that? What part of Regulation without representation appeals?

They have a better standard of living than us, and guess who has the 3rd highest in the world, Germany, I wonder why.

 

[Blue 1]

Yes it is a Hypothetical question, but we have seen enough of what goes on in other Countries who are members and who are not to make a judgement, I think anyway.
I look at Norway and think, do we really need to be part of this.

Norway has a population of 5-6 million and didn't spunk it's north sea oil money up the wall.

 

[Pootsy]

No need to shout, I understand what TTIP could potentially do and I am opposed to it, I just don't think it's a reason to vote out, and the likelihood is that the NHS will be exempted from it.

To be honest, this referendum is like being asked to choose which turd sandwich I'd like best.

Brexit is being led by the nationalist far right and I don't wish to see them any more empowered across the continent than they already are, which is already far too much.

I'm not basing my view on who is fronting the campaign for either side as they are all clampits and if the vote was to Leave EU and the UKs Top Down political setup then that would represent the perfect ideology for me.

PS. If we leave the EU my home country, Northern Ireland will be hit badly. But if we remain it will be worse.

I'm hoping for a glass of Dom Perrignon to accompany my turd sandwich. Not a rusty can of red sripe. The best of a bad situation.

 

[dandydan]

Brexit is being led by the nationalist far right and I don't wish to see them any more empowered across the continent than they already are, which is already far too much.

So according to your logic David Cameron is a bomb chucking, anarchist, loonie leftie.

 

[daylightrobber]

They have a better standard of living than us, and guess who has the 3rd highest in the world, Germany, I wonder why.

So it's about living standards, not about self determination. If the EU regulate Norway then the EU are contributing to those standards, with Norway having little to no say on how or why.