The EU deal

[Blue 1]

So according to your logic David Cameron is a bomb chucking, anarchist, loonie leftie.

Yes. Yes. He is absolutely that.

FFS.

 

[Mikey_Fitzgerald]

So according to your logic David Cameron is a bomb chucking, anarchist, loonie leftie.

I can't get the image of David Cameron chucking Super Mario Bomb-Oms while wearing a top hat with crazed look on his face out of my head now

 

[davids]

Are we? I thought the intention was to focus on non-EU markets.

They are notoriously long winded to set up,so in the meantime...........

 

[Professor Toffee]

Yes it is a Hypothetical question, but we have seen enough of what goes on in other Countries who are members and who are not to make a judgement, I think anyway.
I look at Norway and think, do we really need to be part of this.

wow you want to be part of Norway, full of RS fans mate

 

[Bruce Wayne]

On this day in 1942, the assassination attack on the 'Reichsprotektor' of the Protectorate of Bohemia and Moravia and the man in charge of the Final Solution and the Holocaust of the Jews in Europe - Reinhard Heydrich - was carried out by soldiers from Czechoslovakia’s army-in-exile in the UK in Operation Anthropoid.

Heydrich died of his injuries on 4 June 1942, resulting in brutal Nazi reprisals, including the destruction of the villages of Lidice and Ležáky and execution of most of their inhabitants.

Better together and all that.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

 

[peteblue]

On this day in 1942, the assassination attack on the 'Reichsprotektor' of the Protectorate of Bohemia and Moravia and the man in charge of the Final Solution and the Holocaust of the Jews in Europe - Reinhard Heydrich - was carried out by soldiers from Czechoslovakia’s army-in-exile in the UK in Operation Anthropoid.

Heydrich died of his injuries on 4 June 1942, resulting in brutal Nazi reprisals, including the destruction of the villages of Lidice and Ležáky and execution of most of their inhabitants.

Better together and all that.

A strange group the Germans. I've had the pleasure, if you could call it that, of merging some major UK companies with large German companies. In all cases the British tried to see how they could merge, the Germans tried to see how they could control. In my 30+ years of dealing with them it seems that the desire to control and rule is hardwired into the German psyche. While we may respect each other, we will never truly work together.........

 

[Cypher]

On this day in 1942, the assassination attack on the 'Reichsprotektor' of the Protectorate of Bohemia and Moravia and the man in charge of the Final Solution and the Holocaust of the Jews in Europe - Reinhard Heydrich - was carried out by soldiers from Czechoslovakia’s army-in-exile in the UK in Operation Anthropoid.

Heydrich died of his injuries on 4 June 1942, resulting in brutal Nazi reprisals, including the destruction of the villages of Lidice and Ležáky and execution of most of their inhabitants.

Better together and all that.

What have the Nazis got to do with the EU except of course the fact that they wanted the same thing. lol

 

[Cypher]

No need to shout, I understand what TTIP could potentially do and I am opposed to it, I just don't think it's a reason to vote out, and the likelihood is that the NHS will be exempted from it.

To be honest, this referendum is like being asked to choose which turd sandwich I'd like best.

Brexit is being led by the nationalist far right and I don't wish to see them any more empowered across the continent than they already are, which is already far too much.

Of course it is being lead by the nationalist far right. It's a vote for national sovereignty rather than a super state. If a superstate is what you want with very little democratic control then fair enough but understand that is what you are voting for. Whenever they tried it in the Soviet Union it didn't work out well.

 

[dandydan]

On this day in 1942, the assassination attack on the 'Reichsprotektor' of the Protectorate of Bohemia and Moravia and the man in charge of the Final Solution and the Holocaust of the Jews in Europe - Reinhard Heydrich - was carried out by soldiers from Czechoslovakia’s army-in-exile in the UK in Operation Anthropoid.

Heydrich died of his injuries on 4 June 1942, resulting in brutal Nazi reprisals, including the destruction of the villages of Lidice and Ležáky and execution of most of their inhabitants.

Better together and all that.

So were those men fighting for their nations sovereignty in the face of a German led united Europe the bad guys?

 

[magicjuan]

Of course it is being lead by the nationalist far right. It's a vote for national sovereignty rather than a super state. If a superstate is what you want with very little democratic control then fair enough but understand that is what you are voting for. Whenever they tried it in the Soviet Union it didn't work out well.

All getting a bit mixed up here. Because so many different bedfellows share a single cause, either or, it shows that who is actually controlling the information is the media and their masters.

I am just to the left of far right, just a slight touch, as in as far a kin way as possible. Brexit is not about sovereignty or nationalistic tendencies, it is about democratic participation.

Regardless, the entire thing is a sham, whatever is voted for is what they wanted anyway.

 

[Cypher]

I'm no fan of Johnson's, dummkopf-schmitt's, grayling's, farage's et al. I'm not voting 'out' for, or because of them - I'm voting for what I believe's best for the nation. It just so happens that I agree with the basic principles of the campaign.

Gidiot osborne says "remain"...A 7 year old kid has stumped that toff moron. He can't even get figures right for the next three months, and has done more u-turns than a driving instructor does throughout a 40 year career.

And then there's camoron...As I've said previously - It's hobson's choice, but a choice that has to be made.

It's right to be cynical about the promoters of both sides of the argument, but at least be balanced about it and promote your side of the argument, rather than questioning the lack of intelligence of the electorate and labelling them 'little englanders'.

There was a time we weren't in the EU (Or EEC as was) and were doing rather well trading with the rest of the planet. We joined a common market, we didn't join a federal superstate. We weren't asked if we wanted laws imposed on us; it was never meant to be part of what we originally agreed on/ voted for.



This disagrees...Along with several other instances/reports could show you.

http://www.patients4nhs.org.uk/eu-us-free-trade-agreement-or-ttip/

• The Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership (TTIP) currently being negotiated between the EU and the US (for more details, see below).

These FTAs are prompting widespread concern among civil society groups. For instance, Cecilia Malstrom is currently the EU’s Trade Commissioner and in charge of trade and investment policy for all 28 EU member states, including the UK. In a recent interview, she made it clear that the huge public opposition that we are seeing to treaties such as TTIP (such as the 250,000 strong demonstration in Berlin in October 2015, or the petition signed by over 3 million European citizens against the treaty) is irrelevant: despite officially in post to follow the wishes of the elected governments of Europe, she said that she does not take her mandate from the European people.

• Overall, FTAs involve irreversible commitments made at a level of international trade law that trumps national law: once signed, it is almost impossible for a national government to cancel an FTA, or withdraw some of the commitments made. In other words, FTAs give far-reaching rights to transnational corporations while severely undermining the power of democratically elected governments and our national sovereignty.

If you'd read my earlier posts you'll have noticed I said that TTIP will render the privatisation process irreversible and we wouldn't have any power to stop it, whereas a tory govt OUTSIDE the EU would face stiff opposition if they tried to do what TTIP would do.

Yes, they've privatised piecemeal up to now, but to do it wholesale like (TTIP'd make it) would see them out on their arses almost immediately.

They'd be facing strike after strike across all sectors and would no doubt be booted out at the next election. We can't boot the EU commissioners out unless we vote out in the referendum

Ultimately what the EU want is for national governments to be replaced by a corporation controlled and run superstate.

I think what the 2nd World War taught the elite was that democracy could always run the risk of electing another Hitler. Which is why Hitler, the risk of another European war, disdain for nationalism are all brought into the discussion as reasons to remain. The elite ultimately never want the people to have that kind of power again. Any leader trying to leverage that power is immediately labelled as another Hitler. The EU is undemocratic for a reason. Part of that is how the EU is setup. The other way is to remove national borders and another is for uncontrolled immigration because it splits up the electorate and gives them the ability "to divide and conquer". A unified single country/culture is the biggest risk of all.

There are people who think that all makes sense and for that reason they want to remain. Fair enough but people should understand what they are voting for and why.

 

[degsy]

A strange group the Germans. I've had the pleasure, if you could call it that, of merging some major UK companies with large German companies. In all cases the British tried to see how they could merge, the Germans tried to see how they could control. In my 30+ years of dealing with them it seems that the desire to control and rule is hardwired into the German psyche. While we may respect each other, we will never truly work together.........

bit like the rs really, we, most of us, all know 1 or 2 decent ones - but collectively?? the just don't do themselves any favours.

Does the UK want to be a free independent country or part of a German led federation ruled by the dictat of unelected officials.

 

[daylightrobber]

bit like the rs really, we, most of us, all know 1 or 2 decent ones - but collectively?? the just don't do themselves any favours.

Does the UK want to be a free independent country or part of a German led federation ruled by the dictat of unelected officials.

It's time people actually learnt a bit about the way that the EU is run. Representation is both elected and proportional. It is extremely democratic and to suggest otherwise is a nonsense.

 

[jaycee]

At the minute this country has a non elected head of state,a non elected house of lords and a Government that got less than 50% of the vote doesnt sound like democracy to me