The EU deal

[Whistlin' Dixie]

He incited racial hatred. He propagated attacks on other people based purely on the colour of their skin.

'Course he did.

The fella's villified for warning people multiculturalism won't work.

I guess 1981 Brixton, or 2001 Oldham didn't happen - Or if they did, it was all down to those racist white folks, was it?

Enough of your 'jurgen the german' attitude. It's embarrassing, and once again you're taking the thread O/T.

 

[SNova]

But I thought the EU was democratic.

It's a bit like progressives. You only get to have free speech when you agree with them. Everything else gets labelled as hate speech.

Same with democracy really, you're somehow mentally sick or evil if you don't want to vote for the people they endorse.

 

[jaycee]

'Course he did.

The fella's villified for telling people multiculturalism won't work.

I guess 1981 Brixton, or 2001 Oldham didn't happen - Or if they did, it was all down to those racist white folks, was it?

Enough of your 'jurgen the german' attitude. It's embarrassing, and once again you're taking the thread O/T.

Id say Brixton had a lot to do with police tactics,Bradford from what I can remember had been brewing for a while and went off after Stoke and Oldham met up

 

[Cypher]

10 days after the speech a black family’s christening party in Wolverhampton had been attacked by a gang of racist thugs chanting “Powell” and “Why don't you go back to your own country.” The baby’s grandfather was slashed in the face with a knife.
Yes he did. Yes he did.

So do you think people should stop saying what they believe to be true and what is true if it runs the risk of creating violence and danger to innocent people.

A lot of people were hurt because of the words of Gandhi, Martin Luther King, Mandela etc

Even Jesus said "I came not to bring peace but bring a sword" because he knew his words would create division and conflict. Was he wrong also?

 

[daylightrobber]

I guess 1981 Brixton, or 2001 Oldham didn't happen - Or if they did, it was all down to those racist white folks, was it?

I'd be very interested to hear what you believe it was all down to.

 

[daylightrobber]

So do you think people should stop saying what they believe to be true and what is true if it runs the risk of creating violence and danger to innocent people.

A lot of people were hurt because of the words of Gandhi, Martin Luther King, Mandela etc

Even Jesus said "I came not to bring peace but bring a sword" because he knew his words would create division and conflict. Was he wrong also?

Apart from it wasn't the truth was it? The racists he 'quoted' never existed. No sign of them anywhere, despite extensive searches to find them.

 

[Cypher]

Apart from it wasn't the truth was it? The racists he 'quoted' never existed. No sign of them anywhere, despite extensive searches to find them.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rivers_of_Blood_speech#Identity_of_the_woman_mentioned_in_the_speech

I don't think your info is up to date.

"Shortly after Powell's death, Kenneth Nock, a Wolverhampton solicitor, wrote to the Express and Star in April 1998 to claim that his firm had acted for the woman in question, but that he could not name her owing to rules concerning client confidentiality.[32] In January 2007, the BBC Radio Four programme Document, followed by the Daily Mail, claimed to have uncovered the woman's identity. They said she was Druscilla Cotterill (1907–1978), the widow of Harry Cotterill, a battery quartermaster sergeant with the Royal Artillery who had been killed in World War II. She lived in Brighton Place in Wolverhampton, which by the 1960s was dominated by immigrant families. In order to increase her income, she rented rooms to lodgers, but did not wish to rent rooms to West Indians and stopped taking in any lodgers when the Race Relations Act 1968 banned racial discrimination in housing. She locked up the spare rooms and lived only in two rooms of the house. According to those who remember the period, the many children in the street regarded her as a figure of fun and taunted her.[33]"

 

[davids]

That is the journalistic equivalent of gas-lighting. lol

Independent body voices an opinion and because of it's opinion it acquires an agenda.....OK.

 

[Clint Planet]

If that's your idea of democracy then fair enough and please don't compare a constitutional monarch to someone that has real power. If the Queen ever decided to use her power it would trigger the beginning of the republic.

http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2013/jan/14/secret-papers-royals-veto-bills

¡Viva la República!

 

[SNova]

http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2013/jan/14/secret-papers-royals-veto-bills

¡Viva la República!

Why can't you be against both? I don't see the argument here.

 

[Whistlin' Dixie]

Id say Brixton had a lot to do with police tactics

Trying to help a black lad what'd been shivved?

Bradford from what I can remember had been brewing for a while and went off after Stoke and Oldham met up

I did say Oldham, but Bradford'll do. Why had it been brewing for a while?

I'd be very interested to hear what you believe it was all down to.

I didn't want to answer this because it's very little to do with the the topic. But I'll do you the courtesy all the same.

You see, I heard it at the time from a former Oldham resident (Him & his missus had recently moved out a few months before the riots occurred). The indians wern't any problem at all, it was the pakistanis & bangladeshis what were the problem.

But of course - he's white, so obviously a lying, racist powell enthusiast himself.

Well he would've been, but for the fact his missus is Filipino, and she agreed with him.

 

[daylightrobber]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rivers_of_Blood_speech#Identity_of_the_woman_mentioned_in_the_speech

I don't think your info is up to date.

"Shortly after Powell's death, Kenneth Nock, a Wolverhampton solicitor, wrote to the Express and Star in April 1998 to claim that his firm had acted for the woman in question, but that he could not name her owing to rules concerning client confidentiality.[32] In January 2007, the BBC Radio Four programme Document, followed by the Daily Mail, claimed to have uncovered the woman's identity. They said she was Druscilla Cotterill (1907–1978), the widow of Harry Cotterill, a battery quartermaster sergeant with the Royal Artillery who had been killed in World War II. She lived in Brighton Place in Wolverhampton, which by the 1960s was dominated by immigrant families. In order to increase her income, she rented rooms to lodgers, but did not wish to rent rooms to West Indians and stopped taking in any lodgers when the Race Relations Act 1968 banned racial discrimination in housing. She locked up the spare rooms and lived only in two rooms of the house. According to those who remember the period, the many children in the street regarded her as a figure of fun and taunted her.[33]"

The Daily Mail ballsed up though because Powell described the “white woman old-age pensioner” as someone who “lost her husband and both her sons in the war”. Mrs Cotterill was childless.

 

[Blue 1]

What exactly did he say that has turned out to be wrong?

"In this country in 15 or 20 years' time the black man will have the whip hand over the white man."

 

[Cypher]

Independent body voices an opinion and because of it's opinion it acquires an agenda.....OK.

Ok my own personal view.

I think journalists, political class, chattering class have lived in an echo chamber. They haven't had to actually debate these issues because everyone from Enoch Powell to now has been branded a racist or xenophobe for bringing them up.

For that reason a general consensus has emerged unchallenged and further this group hasn't been able to question it's own theories because to do so would be professional suicide. I also think there are global players who are above that and hire a lot of drones straight out of their political science classes to enforce this doctrine if anyone steps out of line through social media. They do this through NGOs like the Open Border Foundation.

 

[Hibbertinho]

People need to improve their critical thinking skills in this thread. Gandhi was documented as being quite ignorant and racist during his stay in S.A., yes - does referencing that constitute an adequate defense of citing Enoch Powell, really? If Brexiters are upset about the word 'racist' being thrown around as a lazy means of closing down debate, then why have I read the words 'gas-lighting' and 'virtue-signalling', too?

One way of shutting down what you might feel to be unfair labeling etc. is to come out and categorically state what you hope to happen in regards to movement of labour in the case of leaving the EU, and how big a problem you feel it to be, and where you've got your information from.