The EU deal

[davmaher]

I simply abhor this nonsensical fallacy that they're all hard grafters, because they have the same lazy gets we do. I worked in Jaguar and the polish lads there did their graft and were ultra polite. Couldn't say that of the lorry drivers from all over eastern Europe, though.

In Quinn glass a load of the poles there were the most dilatory, bone-idle bleeders I've ever seen. One just used to go from one water dispenser to the next talking to anyone who was there.

I am basing my opinion purely on personal experience.

 

[Deggo]

Recruitment agencies do target their countries of origin. They have been doing that for at least 10 years. British workers don't, in the main, want these jobs. They are low pay, long hours and gruelling, boring work. If you can get similar pay in a McDonald's then that is a much better choice.

Mate I know lads and girls who have tried,they still live with their parents and are happy with the dignity of earning their 'wage' at the end of the week and cannot get them kind of jobs,that's your EU

 

[dandydan]

I've seen exactly the same. Stick 8 of them in a 3 bed house, give them a cheapo car to use and take 5 times the cost out of their wages. I agree with you on the work ethic of Poles and other Eastern Europeans as well.

We had British agency lads before them and the majority were useless, granted it was a crap, dirty job but it was still a job. The Poles worked their bums off for the most part and seemed happy with their lot. I can see why an employer would go for them over the natives.

 

[Deggo]

Kirkdale mate,farms were owned by a family silcotts think,just on from Litherland

Wow you don't associate it with our region do you

 

[Tubey]

We had British agency lads before them and the majority were useless, granted it was a crap, dirty job but it was still a job. The Poles worked their bums off for the most part and seemed happy with their lot. I can see why an employer would go for them over the natives.

A while ago I used to work in a cheque cashing place. The Poles would come in with cheques with overtime and pay the fee and generally be made up with what they got. The Brits would have next to no overtime and moan about the amount they got. Not even generalising either, that was the way it was.

So what you say is pretty much spot on. British people who haven't experienced it dismiss it as a stereotype, but it's true regardless. An employer does what is right for his business - if Eastern Europeans work harder and are happier with the work, then that productivity is obviously what you go for as an employer.

 

[dandydan]

It'd be insane to leave it on practical grounds, but I hope we do, so that David Cameron goes down in history as the man who destroyed Britain to appease a bunch of right-wing nutters in his own party for selfish reasons ahead of one election. He deserves that accolade very much.

A lot of very left wing people are anti EU. Though some change their tune when they get to wet their beaks.

 

[edge]

I've seen exactly the same. Stick 8 of them in a 3 bed house, give them a cheapo car to use and take 5 times the cost out of their wages. I agree with you on the work ethic of Poles and other Eastern Europeans as well.

seen that myself mate used to talk to polish fella qualified engineer by the way,was brought over to work in a factory and put up with about a dozen fellas in a two up two down, got a mini bus with them to work, he complained about the cost of it, and was told if he didn't live in the house or take the mini bus he had no job, after his costs he was taking home £80 quid .
Thankfully he got a decent job in the end,

 

[Whistlin' Dixie]

I am basing my opinion purely on personal experience.

And so am I.

However, the myth about this universal protestant work ethic of eastern europeans has been stated as fact by agencies, who use this as an excuse to recruit exclusively from eastern european countries, and thus drive down wages.

This, in turn, gives the right-wing press the ammunition to fire at british workers (Especially the unemployed) and protray them as whinging, or workshy.

All based on on fantasy.

 

[Tubey]

A lot of very left wing people are anti EU. Though some change their tune when they get to wet their beaks.

Yes, but generally it's the extreme right who are the most vigorous Eurosceptics, and let's be completely honest about it and say this referendum exists solely because Cameron wasn't comfortable enough in his own shoes to tell the right of his party to sod off.

So he put the entire future of the country at stake for his own personal gain. As such, the most spiteful part of me hopes we vote out just to absolutely smash his legacy into irretrievable pieces.

 

[orchard]

The myth that brit's don't want low paid jobs is annoying. Frequently, agencies have the jobs locked down for their imported labour that they exploit. Citizen's aren't given the opportunity.

 

[davmaher]

seen that myself mate used to talk to polish fella qualified engineer by the way,was brought over to work in a factory and put up with about a dozen fellas in a two up two down, got a mini bus with them to work, he complained about the cost of it, and was told if he didn't live in the house or take the mini bus he had no job, after his costs he was taking home £80 quid .
Thankfully he got a decent job in the end,

That seems fairly typical. A lot of the eastern Europeans I come across have really good qualifications in other fields, but can't get work in them back home.

 

[Whistlin' Dixie]

The myth that brit's don't want low paid jobs is annoying. Frequently, agencies have the jobs locked down for their imported labour that they exploit. Citizen's aren't given the opportunity.

Spot-on.

 

[dandydan]

A while ago I used to work in a cheque cashing place. The Poles would come in with cheques with overtime and pay the fee and generally be made up with what they got. The Brits would have next to no overtime and moan about the amount they got. Not even generalising either, that was the way it was.

So what you say is pretty much spot on. British people who haven't experienced it dismiss it as a stereotype, but it's true regardless. An employer does what is right for his business - if Eastern Europeans work harder and are happier with the work, then that productivity is obviously what you go for as an employer.

Unrelated but one bloke told me when he went home he'd tell his missus his flight to Kraków was delayed so would have to stay there overnight and get the train the next morning . Upon hanging up the phone he would then hire a brass for the night.

 

[davmaher]

And so am I.

However, the myth about this universal protestant work ethic of eastern europeans has been stated as fact by agencies, who use this as an excuse to recruit exclusively from eastern european countries, and thus drive down wages.

This, in turn, gives the right-wing press the ammunition to fire at british workers (Especially the unemployed) and protray them as whinging, or workshy.

All based on on fantasy.

You could also argue that the same right wing press complain about the influx of eastern Europeans taking "our" jobs and sponging off the state.

 

[edge]

Wow you don't associate it with our region do you

seems mad doesn't it, saying that i know a fella that still does it now, little team of them hire out to farmers for harvesting crops that need picking very quickly by hand, they work bloody hard but wages are quite good,they are from Kirkdale as well