The EU deal

[daylightrobber]

Basically what I think a lot of people want is the following: immigration levels reduced, and for immigration to be mainly skilled workers, who speak English, have no criminal record and cannot claim certain benefits until they have payed into the system for a number of years. It wouldn't have to be a carbon copy of Australia's points based system, however it's an easy reference which most people understand.

I've read the report. Migration Watch say that "The current scale of migration to the UK is 330,000 a year and is completely unsustainable." I can't find if they have given their concrete policy proposals to reduce immigration to the UK (better than the points based system could) however, I have found this:

What Can Be Done?
1. The long term objective must be to stabilise the population growth of the UK.

2. This can only be achieved by reducing net migration to between 50 and 70,000 a year, the level of the 1980s and 1990s.

3. In 2014 there were an estimated 641,000 immigrants to the UK and 323,000 emigrants giving a figure for net migration of 318,000. Reducing net migration as proposed would still allow for substantial flows each way. It would not prevent the increasing numbers of tourists and business visitors that we all want to see.

4. Some opponents claim that immigration cannot be controlled so it is fruitless to try. This is nonsense. The UK, like every other country, should be able to control immigration. Reflect for a moment on what the level of immigration from much of the developing world would be without a visa system and border controls.

5. What is needed is more effective immigration control and enforcement of immigration law. A target for net migration remains essential for focusing government policy.

Again though, these figures are somewhat misleading. Australia don't count students the same way that we do. Here they contribute to the net figure, all 192,000/yr of them. Take them out of the equation and we're not a million miles away.

 

[Cypher]

Again though, these figures are somewhat misleading. Australia don't count students the same way that we do. Here they contribute to the net figure, all 192,000/yr of them. Take them out of the equation and we're not a million miles away.

The problem with ours is they normally end up staying lol

 

[Cypher]

This is our last change. Pretty soon we won't be able to have this debate because it will be labelled hate speech.

http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_IP-16-1937_en.htm

"The Commission together with Facebook, Twitter, YouTube and Microsoft (“the IT companies”) today unveil a code of conduct that includes a series of commitments to combat the spread of illegal hate speech online in Europe."

"If the freedom of speech is taken away then dumb and silent we may be led, like sheep to the slaughter." - George Washington

 

[daylightrobber]

The problem with ours is they normally end up staying lol

But again, that isn't a problem with the immigrants themselves. It is a failure of the system to remove them if they don't have a right to remain here. And again, it's a large proportion of the total, who are not coming here to scrounge off our system. They are coming to learn, to 'better themselves' and they are generally paying their way.

 

[Cypher]

But again, that isn't a problem with the immigrants themselves. It is a failure of the system to remove them if they don't have a right to remain here. And again, it's a large proportion of the total, who are not coming here to scrounge off our system. They are coming to learn, to 'better themselves' and they are generally paying their way.

They are still causing an increase in the population.

 

[Pootsy]

But again, that isn't a problem with the immigrants themselves. It is a failure of the system to remove them if they don't have a right to remain here. And again, it's a large proportion of the total, who are not coming here to scrounge off our system. They are coming to learn, to 'better themselves' and they are generally paying their way.

We couldn't remove Abu Hamza from the UK because of rules set by the EU, how do you expect the EU to fix it?

If out, we have a much better chance of lobbying such a move.

 

[daylightrobber]

This is our last change. Pretty soon we won't be able to have this debate because it will be labelled hate speech.

http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_IP-16-1937_en.htm

"The Commission together with Facebook, Twitter, YouTube and Microsoft (“the IT companies”) today unveil a code of conduct that includes a series of commitments to combat the spread of illegal hate speech online in Europe."

"If the freedom of speech is taken away then dumb and silent we may be led, like sheep to the slaughter." - George Washington

No it won't. Stop scaremongering. Unless of course you are owning up to speaking hate, in which case - reported.

 

[ggooggooggoo]

58% to vote leave latest independent poll.

 

[daylightrobber]

We couldn't remove Abu Hamza from the UK because of rules set by the EU, how do you expect the EU to fix it?

If out, we have a much better chance of lobbying such a move.

Wrong I'm afraid. The ECHR delayed deportation, not the EU. It's a worthwhile price to pay for having a convention on human rights.

 

[jaycee]

We couldn't remove Abu Hamza from the UK because of rules set by the EU, how do you expect the EU to fix it?

If out, we have a much better chance of lobbying such a move.

Wasnt it the ECHR that stopped the extridition?

 

[Pootsy]

58% to vote leave latest independent poll.

While good to see, you can't believe polls. They are taken of a survey of x amount of people then multiplied up to represent the population. While its a way to try to guage the spread of voters the poll should be conducted in various locations around the UK to get a true representation.

In fact we have seen a lot of skewed figures by both sides eg. £4,300 is the amount per household we will be worse off by. Of course that amount is what forecasters (17% of those able to represent) think we will be worse off by 2030.

£350m a week (is a rough guess by the Brexiters) and doesn't include the rebate or other fees that have to be paid/received.

It would make it easier for everyone if there was a 100% true document somewhere but the fact is that it is better for some and worse for others so we simply have to do it the democratic way.

 

[Pootsy]

Wrong I'm afraid. The ECHR delayed deportation, not the EU. It's a worthwhile price to pay for having a convention on human rights.

Would the European Convention of Human Rights have ANY jurisdiction in a UK outside the EU?

 

[jaycee]

Would the European Convention of Human Rights have ANY jurisdiction in a UK outside the EU?

Yep britain helped set it up

 

[Pootsy]

And when out could be not deport him to a country outside the EU?

 

[daylightrobber]

Would the European Convention of Human Rights have ANY jurisdiction in a UK outside the EU?

The 2 organisations are not related. Don't conflate the 2. Just remember that if we leave the EU, we will still be part of Europe.