The EU deal

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Joey66 said:
He is elected by the populous picked by his party answer the question properly as that young Girl on Sky said to Davy boy she knows a waffle when she hears one!lol
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Wrong. The PM is not elected by the populous. There is no box to put your X in for candidates for PM. The governing party can remove and replace the PM with any member of their party whenever they want (further to rules of the party).

Anyway, which of the Presidents, candidates for which are put forward by their parties and then voted for by everyone in the institution, are you talking about?
 

daylightrobber said:
Wrong. The PM is not elected by the populous. There is no box to put your X in for candidates for PM. The governing party can remove and replace the PM with any member of their party whenever they want (further to rules of the party).

Anyway, which of the Presidents, candidates for which are put forward by their parties and then voted for by everyone in the institution, are you talking about?
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Come off it you vote for the party with the most impressive leader who leads the election campaign, I know a waffler when I read a post like yours Davy boy!lol
 
daylightrobber said:
Under our current system we vote for our MPs.

Which president?
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this is a diplomatic way NOT-
A new team of 28 Commissioners (one from each EU Member State) is appointed every five years.

The candidate for President of the Commission is proposed to the European Parliament by the European Council that decides by qualified majority and taking into account the elections to the European Parliament.

The Commission President is then elected by the European Parliament by a majority of its component members (which corresponds to at least 376 out of 751 votes).

Following this election, the President-elect selects the 27 other members of the Commission, on the basis of the suggestions made by Member States. The final list of Commissioners-designate has then to be agreed between the President-elect and the Council. The Commission as a whole needs the Parliament's consent. Prior to this, Commissioners-designate are assessed by the European Parliament committees.

The current Commission's term of office runs until 31 October 2019. Its President is Jean-Claude Juncker.
There are 23 000 staff members working in the Commission in departments, known as Directorates-General (DGs) or services, each responsible for a particular policy area and headed by a Director-General.

The DGs draft laws, but their proposals become official only once the College of Commissioners adopts them during its weekly meeting.

The DGs also manage funding initiatives at EU level, carry out public consultations and communication activities.

The Commission also administers a number of executive agencies, which help the European Commission manage EU programmes.
all very democratic NOT!
WE vote for a NEP who cannot make the laws with the cronies dictating above!
 

Joey66 said:
this is a diplomatic way NOT-
A new team of 28 Commissioners (one from each EU Member State) is appointed every five years.

The candidate for President of the Commission is proposed to the European Parliament by the European Council that decides by qualified majority and taking into account the elections to the European Parliament.

The Commission President is then elected by the European Parliament by a majority of its component members (which corresponds to at least 376 out of 751 votes).

Following this election, the President-elect selects the 27 other members of the Commission, on the basis of the suggestions made by Member States. The final list of Commissioners-designate has then to be agreed between the President-elect and the Council. The Commission as a whole needs the Parliament's consent. Prior to this, Commissioners-designate are assessed by the European Parliament committees.

The current Commission's term of office runs until 31 October 2019. Its President is Jean-Claude Juncker.
There are 23 000 staff members working in the Commission in departments, known as Directorates-General (DGs) or services, each responsible for a particular policy area and headed by a Director-General.

The DGs draft laws, but their proposals become official only once the College of Commissioners adopts them during its weekly meeting.

The DGs also manage funding initiatives at EU level, carry out public consultations and communication activities.

The Commission also administers a number of executive agencies, which help the European Commission manage EU programmes.
all very democratic NOT!
WE vote for a NEP who cannot make the laws with the cronies dictating above!
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Of course it's democratic. Each member state has representatives that are either elected (meps), or selected by elected representatives at national level. None of this is independent of domestic politics. In regards to the commission, each nation has an equal say, in regards to parliament, representation is proportional. Sounds pretty damn democratic compared to our system where 1 party can win as little as 34% of the vote and end up with all the power.

If you're that bothered about being governed by a fair democracy, why don't you call for PR, the abolishment of the HOL and the abolishment of our Monarchy? Until you do, I'm not sure we can take your protestations about the EU system seriously.
 
daylightrobber said:
Of course it's democratic. Each member state has representatives that are either elected (meps), or selected by elected representatives at national level. None of this is independent of domestic politics. In regards to the commission, each nation has an equal say, in regards to parliament, representation is proportional. Sounds pretty damn democratic compared to our system where 1 party can win as little as 34% of the vote and end up with all the power.

If you're that bothered about being governed by a fair democracy, why don't you call for PR, the abolishment of the HOL and the abolishment of our Monarchy? Until you do, I'm not sure we can take your protestations about the EU system seriously.
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Oh I forgot to mention al the 28 countries have to vote in unison not a majority spilt fair vote just imagine if our parliament worked like that ?
You spout utter tosh if you think the EU is democratic!
 
Joey66 said:
Oh I forgot to mention al the 28 countries have to vote in unison not a majority spilt fair vote just imagine if our parliament worked like that ?
You spout utter tosh if you think the EU is democratic!
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Can you give us an example of when you think this is used? If it helps, remember that the commission isn't parliament - no googling now. It seems to me as though the veto helps to protect nations. Or would you like the other 27 member states have influence over us based on majority rule?
 
daylightrobber said:
Can you give us an example of when you think this is used? If it helps, remember that the commission isn't parliament - no googling now. It seems to me as though the veto helps to protect nations. Or would you like the other 27 member states have influence over us based on majority rule?
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Just a fair vote one country can stop any legestration being passed, look just vote out you know it makes sense!
 

Joey66 said:
Just a fair vote one country can stop any legestration being passed, look just vote out you know it makes sense!
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It makes absolutely no sense. Not for me, not for my kids. Not for anyone in my extended family, or any of my friends, colleagues, acquaintances etc.
 
This is why I love Grand Old Team. Although politically aware, I have to say I wasn't the most clued up concerning the European Union a few months ago. I, like most I would say, went along with the 'undemocratic thing'. I was arguing for remaining with the people I know but I didn't know why exactly. "Okay, it's undemocratic, but..."

Of course it's democratic, this thread has proved that. Thanks @Clint Planet @daylightrobber
 
Joey66 said:
Ok Dave I give up how's Georgie Gideon doing after his Wall Street advisor went bottoms up?lol
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If I was Cameron we wouldn't be having a referendum. I'd be leading the country properly and doing what is best for it by remaining in. I certainly wouldn't be kowtowing to UKIP.
 
daylightrobber said:
If I was Cameron we wouldn't be having a referendum. I'd be leading the country properly and doing what is best for it by remaining in. I certainly wouldn't be kowtowing to UKIP.
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So you're saying only UKIP supporters wanted a referendum? I think you'll find, now it's here, an awful lot of people, right across the political spectrum are firmly behind the referendum. I also firmly believe that Cameron wouldn't even be in power if he hadn't promised one in the first place.
I've said in a previous post, it's got nothing to do with party allegiances, it's simply people wanting to run our own democracy without any outside interference.
What's wrong with conducting our own business, making elected politicians accountable, and throwing them on the scrap heap when they fail to deliver?
 

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