The EU deal

[Whistlin' Dixie]

It will be back to a feudal society, slaving for our Tory overlords within a decade.

It's happening while we're EU members...

 

[squonk]

Not really, it was aimed at the Country not the individual.....

which pretty much confirms what I said

 

[Groucho]

Anyone care to give a brief (and unbiased) pros and cons list for the UK's situation at he moment?

 

[The Esk]

yet provide no evidence that trade will actually suffer, only supposition....

Not supposition at all. In Boardrooms up and down the country companies will be putting investment decisions on hold and in Europe our competitors will be honing plans to go after business currently won by British companies. I know this is happening from personal experience.

In addition does anyone seriously believe that we can carry on selling goods to Europe on the same terms if we were not a member?

I'm no great fan of the CBI but go and read what they have to say about exiting Europe. A letter signed by many business leaders including Martin Sorrell and Branson stated that being in the EU benefited the UK by up to £92 billion a year.

The economic case for staying in the EU is overwhelming.

 

[SpurtingLesbian]

It's happening while we're EU members...

But at least the EU is currently slowing them down and occasionally blocking things. That's why the Right Wing want out, to get away from the European Courts and Conventions, so they can define their own and change them to suit when they are found to be acting outside them. It's the only effective opposition we have these days.

 

[carlos21]

Anyone care to give a brief (and unbiased) pros and cons list for the UK's situation at he moment?

I don't care about it mate,

 

[Whistlin' Dixie]

But at least the EU is currently slowing them down and occasionally blocking things. That's why the Right Wing want out, to get away from the European Courts and Conventions, so they can define their own and change then to suit when they are found to be acting outside them. It's the only effective opposition we have these days.

Agreed. I've said the same (more or less) earlier in the thread.

 

[Lee Smith]

This Daily Politics interview on BBC 2 with George Galloway right now is mental. Absolute stitch up of the highest order. If you get a chance watch it on catch up.

 

[SNova]

The EU is awful. There's no real chance of defending it, but it's the lesser of two evils.

What do you all really want - a system where at least there's a system of checks and balances that keeps the Tories from demolishing the serfs of the UK totally, or a return to total Tory right wing dominance over everything?

It's not a coincidence it's only the extreme right and extreme left in terms of politicians that want a Brexit, as they recognise that it will give them what they always want - egotistical total power over the masses.

In Parliamentary democracy you have the ability to elect a new government every five years who can enact and repeal laws.

Whether an EU law is good or bad is irrelevant. We cannot change those laws through the ballot box.

What I really want is the UK to take back control of our own destiny.

This Daily Politics interview on BBC 2 with George Galloway right now is mental. Absolute stitch up of the highest order. If you get a chance watch it on catch up.

In what way?

To be fair to Galloway his speech at the Grassroots Out meeting was good, he is a talented orator, even if I disagree with the idiot on most other things.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Of course we don't live in isolation, but neither do the Southern Irish. They chose their path, independence and membership of the Eu without any thought of how it would affect the UK. Well we get to chose ours and should do so without a single thought of how it will affect the Irish Republic. If it thrives, wonderful, if it doesn't then tough. I don't see any countries saying that they must look after the good old British......

It's not quite so zero sum though is it? For instance, if we leave the EU, do you think that will encourage the likes of the National Front in France, or PVV in Holland, Podomos in Spain, Syreza in Greece and so on to continue their populist policies? Do you think it will encourage the Visegrad nations to stick two fingers up at any migration issues? Do you think it will encourage the SNP to break free of Britain?

None of those things are directly our concern, but all will have an impact on British life, as will the EU rules we will have to abide by if we wish to trade with Europe, or the hundreds of multi-lateral trade agreements we're party too, or the WTO, NATO or various other international bodies that have an impact on how we behave.

It's an international world so I don't see how we can sit aside from that and say none of what goes on effects us.

 

[neil999]

does anyone actually think vote leave will happen??

 

[peteblue]

which pretty much confirms what I said

OK, you win, congratulations your prize is in the post......

 

[Lee Smith]

In Parliamentary democracy you have the ability to elect a new government every five years who can enact and repeal laws.

Whether an EU law is good or bad is irrelevant. We cannot change those laws through the ballot box.

What I really want is the UK to take back control of our own destiny.



In what way?

To be fair to Galloway his speech at the Grassroots Out meeting was good, he is a talented orator, even if I disagree with the idiot on most other things.

I'm not a Galloway fan by any stretch of the imagination but he has just been ambushed big time. They started the segment showing and speaking to the handful of people who walked out during his Grass Roots speech and then basically all they wanted to talk about was that. Galloway quite rightly was trying to make out that that was irrelevant and wanted to talk about the actual real matters of the referendum but the interviewer (Jo Coburn) was more interested in asking him about the walk out etc. He was fuming claiming they got him on to talk about 'him' rather than the referendum.

The build up has only just started and I already fear that the BBC aren't going to be as impartial as they should be (much in the same way in my opinion as they acted during the Scottish referendum).

 

[peteblue]

Not supposition at all. In Boardrooms up and down the country companies will be putting investment decisions on hold and in Europe our competitors will be honing plans to go after business currently won by British companies. I know this is happening from personal experience.

In addition does anyone seriously believe that we can carry on selling goods to Europe on the same terms if we were not a member?

I'm no great fan of the CBI but go and read what they have to say about exiting Europe. A letter signed by many business leaders including Martin Sorrell and Branson stated that being in the EU benefited the UK by up to £92 billion a year.

The economic case for staying in the EU is overwhelming.

And in the Uk, many British companies will be honing plans to go after the business won by Europeans. We have a trading deficit with Europe, they need us as much we need them.....

 

[SNova]

It's not quite so zero sum though is it? For instance, if we leave the EU, do you think that will encourage the likes of the National Front in France, or PVV in Holland, Podomos in Spain, Syreza in Greece and so on to continue their populist policies? Do you think it will encourage the Visegrad nations to stick two fingers up at any migration issues? Do you think it will encourage the SNP to break free of Britain?

None of those things are directly our concern, but all will have an impact on British life, as will the EU rules we will have to abide by if we wish to trade with Europe, or the hundreds of multi-lateral trade agreements we're party too, or the WTO, NATO or various other international bodies that have an impact on how we behave.

It's an international world so I don't see how we can sit aside from that and say none of what goes on effects us.

I want Brexit to collapse the EU. I want other European countries free of it too. I want countries to start acting in the national interests of its own people. Now you say populist parties are on the rise, why is that a problem for you? It's called democracy. If the major parties are ignoring the will of the people of course they will look to vote elsewhere.

I'm not a Galloway fan by any stretch of the imagination but he has just been ambushed big time. They started the segment showing and speaking to the handful of people who walked out during his Grass Roots speech and then basically all they wanted to talk about was that. Galloway quite rightly was trying to make out that that was irrelevant and wanted to talk about the actual real matters of the referendum but the interviewer (Jo Coburn) was more interested in asking him about the walk out etc. He was fuming claiming they got him on to talk about 'him' rather than the referendum.

The build up has only just started and I already fear that the BBC aren't going to be as impartial as they should be (much in the same way in my opinion as they acted during the Scottish referendum).

It's what they always do. With Jeremy Corbyn, Nigel Farage etc.

They like to talk about personalities rather than the actual issues.