it's Wales, its gonna end grim for them either way
The EU deal
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Prime Ministers listen too much too voters, complains EU commission president Juncker
Juncker. "It's a quite common opinion in Brussels that the EU always has problems with its member states and our lives would be much more comfortable without member states."
"Prime Ministers must stop listening so much to their voters and instead act as “full time Europeans.”"
"Elected leaders are making life “difficult” because they spend too much time thinking about what they can get out of EU and kowtowing to public opinion, rather than working on “historic” projects such as the Euro."
"Too many politicians are listening exclusively to their national opinion. And if you are listening to your national opinion you are not developing what should be a common European sense and a feeling of the need to put together efforts. We have too many part-time Europeans."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...ten-too-much-to-voters-complains-eus-juncker/
Juncker. "It's a quite common opinion in Brussels that the EU always has problems with its member states and our lives would be much more comfortable without member states."
"Prime Ministers must stop listening so much to their voters and instead act as “full time Europeans.”"
"Elected leaders are making life “difficult” because they spend too much time thinking about what they can get out of EU and kowtowing to public opinion, rather than working on “historic” projects such as the Euro."
"Too many politicians are listening exclusively to their national opinion. And if you are listening to your national opinion you are not developing what should be a common European sense and a feeling of the need to put together efforts. We have too many part-time Europeans."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...ten-too-much-to-voters-complains-eus-juncker/
magicjuan
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If that isn't a pointer to the dangerous objectives and purpose of the United States of Europe....
rascal
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Cheers. Although I am worried by my post being corrupted by those on the right, anyway here goes.
Comrades, I have to admit that I feel less than enthralled by the EU referendum. I don't have any great love for it, from the light reading that I have done on the subject it would appear that we're fighting someone else's battle again.
I do not accept Dodgy Dave and his cabinet when we are provided with dishonest statistics such as Morgan’s corrupt manipulations of school league table to justify forced academy or Hunt’s crooked misrepresentation of weekend effect in hospitals so that he can attack Junior Doctors. If I reject these twisted figures why swallow hook line and sinker Cameron’s projections on the effects of Brexit.
A dodgy estimate put about is that households will be £4000 worse off if we leave the EU but this is worse type of statistic mixing data usage, the estimate is based on potential drop in GDP currently at £2.1Trillion which is approximately £88,000 per household but we all know that average household income is £25,600(Office of National Statistics) therefore to claim that households will be £4,000 is at best a lie and those on the left should not be seen retelling this mistruth.
We are told that workers have benefited from EU regulation and that we should all praise Brussels but all the EU has done is standardised existing employment Law. After campaigns by women Trade Unionists we had equal pay in 1970 and first maternity leave legislation in 1975 well before EU got involved. But is EU employment legislation worth the paper it is written? Agency workers are supposed to receive the full pay of an employee however EU has allowed a horse and cart through the rules under the Swedish derogation which ensures that agency workers are paid less.
Did EU protect the Blacklisted construction workers, has it defended workers sacked for TU activities Has it protected the forced ‘Self-employed’ from working excessive hours in all these questions the answer is No.
We have had our own program, the re-nationalisation of the Railways Blocked by EU, the aim of bringing back in house privatised sections of the NHS blocked by the EU, support for the steel industry blocked by the EU.
We do not need to be in the jingoistic camp of the Brexiters however we do need a better attitude to Europe than following meekly behind Dodgy Dave.
dholliday
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Wrote this on your thread and voted "for".
Stopped describing myself as left as it just invites awful identity-politics, which seem to dominate debate about this sort of thing. Political tribalism is damaging to true development. The pro-EU propaganda in every mainstream paper and from every Western statehead smacks of desperation more than actually wishing to reflect peoples' concerns.
In related news: Hungary and Slovakia have been told they could face fines of up to €250,000 per every refugee they refuse to take in.
In that spirit, I'd vote for the Exit.
rascal
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As with the Scottish referendum it feels as if I am being used to prop up Cameron's and Gideon's premiership.
roydo
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This is why I am at a loss how to vote. Both Cameron and Corbyn want to stay in. Maybe for different priorities mind.
dholliday
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soz mate, not following you here x
rascal
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A Brexit would almost certainly lead to the elimination of both.
Whistlin' Dixie
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In = A vote for camoron & gidiot.
Out = A vote for boris, dummkopf-schmitt, farage & grayling.
Tough call.
dholliday
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do you want the EU govern the rules of your life or would you rather your country does that?
ah, i see. That's this political tribalism I was talking about...let it go. Vote for what you feel is right for the long-term future of your country.
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