The Everton Board Thread 2014/15

[pablo 1878]

Thanks Pat, it's true though isn't it. There's got to be an end game for these feckers and their business is money and profit. Whether he knew it or not, Kenwright has invited a couple of sharks to swim in our little pond and they aren't leaving until their bellies are well full

 

[Chang Elephant]

Whether he knew it or not, Kenwright has invited a couple of sharks to swim in our little pond and they aren't leaving until their bellies are well full

He knew it, the utterly despised get.

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

Do the people who defend Kenwright and warn of Portsmouth, Blackburn or Leeds, not see the irony of their warnings. The reason those clubs failed is because their previous owners sold for maximum profit will little regard to the suitability of the new owners to run the football club.

What exactly do you think the strategy is for Earl/Green? Do you really think that they invested in Everton for the love of the club? Hardly. They could see the tsunami of money that was about to wash over football and bought their shares for a song. At the minute, we've got a board of millionaires sitting tight and waiting for the maximum profit whilst the club stagnates. Make no mistake, when these bar stewards believe the Premier League gravy train has reached its maximum growth potential (record TV deal or not, there's more £££'s to be squeezed out yet) they will sell up to absolutely anybody willing to pay top dollar, regardless of whether they are a Venky's or similar.

And when it all goes tits up, the idiots can say "we told you a takeover would be a disaster"

You're surmising what the motivation of Earl is though, the reality is you haven't got a clue.

9 years on and if a quick buck was the motivation it's a slow burn ffs.

Not only have you decided what his motive was, you've also decided that he was a visionary in terms of the revenue potential and also that all a collective they all wouldn't give a stuff who they sold it to. Pass me you crystal ball lad, I could do with it for Tuesdays draw.

 

[pablo 1878]

You're surmising what the motivation of Earl is though, the reality is you haven't got a clue.

9 years on and if a quick buck was the motivation it's a slow burn ffs.

Not only have you decided what his motive was, you've also decided that he was a visionary in terms of the revenue potential and also that all a collective they all wouldn't give a stuff who they sold it to. Pass me you crystal ball lad, I could do with it for Tuesdays draw.

No crystal ball lad, saying it as I see it.

You're right that I am voicing an opinion on Earl's intentions; his absolute silence on all things Everton means we can only speculate.

And if it makes you feel better, I'm prepared to be proven wrong on Earl. Only the passage of time will tell, although I am convinced that he will eventually disappear when the right offer comes in. I'm also convinced that the credibility of future buyers won't be near the top of the list when he comes to sell. Why would it be? A Spurs fan, who's been to how many matches at Goodison, one? If you think Earl's motives are anything other than personal financial gain then good luck to you.

As for him being a visionary, the Premier League has been on a constant upwards trajectory for close to 25 years, with the domestic and oversees TV revenue growing everytime a new TV deal is signed. The Premier League of 9 years ago had massive growth potential, as borne out by the numbers of succesful businessmen buying stakes in PL football clubs. I'm not suggesting Earl is unique in seeing the potential return on his investment. But let's not pretend that he / Green invested for the good of the club or some sort of philanthropic gesture.

 

[kithnou]

But let's not pretend that he / Green invested for the good of the club or some sort of philanthropic gesture.

Who would even begin to come to this conclusion?

 

[D410]

"The echo set to get under the skin of Everton FC"

DaveK stock up on the popcorn lad - think of all those questions they have been dying to ask for 20 years.

 

[pablo 1878]

Who would even begin to come to this conclusion?

My suggestion that Earl's motive for investing in Everton being solely for financial gain was being questioned so I was working through some alternative motives, regardless of how ludicrous they seem.

Unless you're Robert Earl, know him personally or you've got a a crystal ball, I wouldn't bother posting an opinion though.

 

[matty1878]

I don't get this so the echo are now going to scrutinise evertons board? But they never do and usually get banned from meetings etc. and plus they usually always say positive kak about evertons board, why would they change now there opinion?

 

[kithnou]

I don't get this so the echo are now going to scrutinise evertons board? But they never do and usually get banned from meetings etc. and plus they usually always say positive kak about evertons board, why would they change now there opinion?

Are they? If so it may have something to do with a whole supporter base not reading their paper?

 

[bizzaro]

http://www.evertonfc.com/news/2015/06/29/club-update-kitbag

Club Update: Kitbag

@the esk @Neiler @davek @GrandOldTeam

My take on reading this 'commercial revenue' related (FFP) post.


Utter utter BS.

'Throw in all the hyperbole when clubs announce deals and bundle in all sorts of unearned bonuses and you come to the only conclusion possible, comparison with other clubs is very difficult.'

Its not. Clubs have to be transparent on their commercial revenues for FFP purposes.


'Are we giving away value? We don’t think so. Remember this is a retail deal and retail isn’t booming. It’s not TV; it’s not sponsorship; it’s a cut-throat sector trying to keep pace with ever-changing buying habits and expectations.'


RETAIL ISN'T BOOMING? Are they on drugs?

Internet sales are booming. FACT.

I've never read such utter drivel since I last read the Liverpool ECHO

I'm not sure why but they seem to think all fans are morons. @chicoazul maybe but most aren't.

The only thing Everton's board are good at doing is keeping costs down.

They have ZERO. NADA. NONE. Commercial nouse of how to develop markets.

That is a fact.

 

[bizzaro]

Cross posted here. As its relevant. I'm not a Kenwronger. However this on top of the Stadium lack of progress/backtracking is making me really angry.

Its absolute pony what they've come out with.

If they'd of said 'we have to do better', I wouldn't be angry. But its just like the ECHO's response absolute denial of the truth.

Insulting people's intelligence.

So Deloitte are wrong then are they???????

'However, that first step isn’t easy. Testing how good our deal with Kitbag is by making comparisons with other clubs is difficult. To our knowledge, only a very small number of other clubs in the Premier League have secured comparable deals and, given who they are, we believe it shows we’re in good company. We maintain that our ability to have secured a retail partner – and there aren’t many with an appetite to do it – prepared to take away all the uncertainty of retailing and make sure that every season, good or bad, buoyant retail sector or not, we report a profit, reflects well on our Club.'


https://www2.deloitte.com/content/d...group/deloitte-football-money-league-2015.PDF

See page 9 and page 35

If Deloitte can do it in a haphazard way taking into account some social media metrics you utter beauts I'm sure the average fan can figure out that we are not performing well enough!


Deloitte: 'Commercial revenue of £12.7m (€15.2m) is the lowest in the Money League, and is less than half that of the next lowest club, Newcastle United.'

@davek @the esk @Neiler etc.

They are taking us for ABSOLUTE mugs.

This on top of the Stadium backtracking. Furious here.

#FFP #PremierLeaguerules #Evertonnotperformingcommercialrevenue

 

[Chang Elephant]

I'm not a Kenwronger

I'm not either, just think he's a tosser tbh

 

[davek]

http://www.evertonfc.com/news/2015/06/29/club-update-kitbag

Club Update: Kitbag

@the esk @Neiler @davek @GrandOldTeam

My take on reading this 'commercial revenue' related (FFP) post.


Utter utter BS.

'Throw in all the hyperbole when clubs announce deals and bundle in all sorts of unearned bonuses and you come to the only conclusion possible, comparison with other clubs is very difficult.'

Its not. Clubs have to be transparent on their commercial revenues for FFP purposes.


'Are we giving away value? We don’t think so. Remember this is a retail deal and retail isn’t booming. It’s not TV; it’s not sponsorship; it’s a cut-throat sector trying to keep pace with ever-changing buying habits and expectations.'


RETAIL ISN'T BOOMING? Are they on drugs?

Internet sales are booming. FACT.

I've never read such utter drivel since I last read the Liverpool ECHO

I'm not sure why but they seem to think all fans are morons. @chicoazul maybe but most aren't.

The only thing Everton's board are good at doing is keeping costs down.

They have ZERO. NADA. NONE. Commercial nouse of how to develop markets.

That is a fact.

"It's all relative" [translation...'the actual figures are appalling, but we'll deflect a bit by suggesting you cant compare'.]

"Guaranteed profit way above what we'd experienced in the years before". [translation 'we were rubbish at the commercial side, so we put ourselves in a position to get ripped off by these cowboys...but at least we didn't over order a load of tat at our own expense'.]

The long and the short of it is that they thought they had Kirkby in the bag and just had to prove they could find the cash to ante up, so they gave away 10 years worth of contract deals to a load of sharks who have proceeded to bleed the club dry in return for a terrible service.

 

[bizzaro]

"It's all relative" [translation...'the actual figures are appalling, but we'll deflect a bit by suggesting you cant compare'.]

"Guaranteed profit way above what we'd experienced years before". [translation 'we were rubbish at the commercial side, so we put ourselves in a position to get ripped off by these cowboys...but at least we didn't over order a load of tat at our own expense'.]

The long and the short of it is that they thought they had Kirkby i the bag and just had to rove they could find the cash to ante up, so they gave away 10 years worth of contract deals to a load of sharks who have proceeded to bleed the club dry in return for a terrible service./

https://www2.deloitte.com/content/d...group/deloitte-football-money-league-2015.PDF

Check out page 35.

Deloitte know nothing. Absolute nothing about football finance.

 

[davek]

The Premier League is the hottest property in football. Everton are regular top 5th-8th. Those muppets in 2008 handcuffed the club to a set annual figure given that the sliding scale included in the deal meant Everton selling shedloads of gear to improve that set figure.

It sounds to me like it was one of those decisions 'good friends of Everton' like Green and Earl would suggest to the nobheads taking decisions at the club and one that went very wrong: "Go on, this stadium's in the bag. Just sign up with one of our mates in the biz who'll shift your stuff. £30M toward the fighting fund. No one will notice or even be bothered when the club are up and running in The Stadium of North Knowsley. It's all cushty".