The Everton Board Thread 2014/15

[The Esk]

Which is what way?

Sorry mate, don't understand your question. Happy to answer but don't understand it.

 

[Jxg]

Bill Kenwtight

Such a fitting typo...

 

[Bluesnapper]

Sorry mate, don't understand your question. Happy to answer but don't understand it.

I will try again then.

You said - their, the BU, means of achieving them [their objectives] are not clear.

I said - what is their, the BUs, way [of achieving their objectives]?

 

[The Esk]

I will try again then.

You said - their, the BU, means of achieving them [their objectives] are not clear.

I said - what is their, the BUs, way [of achieving their objectives]?

What I'm saying mate is that the BU have to decide (in my opinion) whether they want to be a protest group, make lots of noise, publicity, make life difficult for the Board, etc etc or do they want to be real agents of change (which surely is the key objective).

If they want to be real agents of change then being a protest group is probably not the correct strategy.

I hope this make sense.

 

[Bluesnapper]

What I'm saying mate is that the BU have to decide (in my opinion) whether they want to be a protest group, make lots of noise, publicity, make life difficult for the Board, etc etc or do they want to be real agents of change (which surely is the key objective).

If they want to be real agents of change then being a protest group is probably not the correct strategy.

I hope this make sense.

What do you mean Mate 'the agents of change'?

 

[nil satis]

Jack Hayward @ Wolves, took about 5 seconds to think of one

Well in Joey got me there, Wolves are a massively successful club that is the envy of English Football.

Yeah your right we might get a good one next time (that means a billionaire) but conversely it could easily go belly up.

 

[The Esk]

What do you mean Mate 'the agents of change'?

At some point someone is going to come along to Bill and the Board and make a proposal that makes sense either for them to relinquish and sell up, or change the way that they run the club.

A fan group can form part of that in conjunction with investors and other interest parties. It seems to me that BU would better spend its time and passion for the club looking for partners who can influence change than just being a protest group.

Supporting the Board's desire to seek investors (as they claim) and then going out and doing it with the help of others is an alternative strategy. All I am saying is being a protest group is good for the ego, gets publicity (at least initially) but won't change a thing in my opinion.

 

[Chang Elephant]

A fan group can form part of that in conjunction with investors and other interest parties. It seems to me that BU would better spend its time and passion for the club looking for partners who can influence change than just being a protest group.

Don't you think their opinion of the fans is clear though....a bovine mass of consumers necessary for the club to function and therefore for them to make money. As witnessed by the attempt to move us to Kirkby...to a "world class" "effectively free" stadium. Made plain by their dealings with the shareholders in scamming an AGM then scrapping them.

 

[Bluesnapper]

A fan group can form part of that in conjunction with investors and other interest parties. It seems to me that BU would better spend its time and passion for the club looking for partners who can influence change than just being a protest group.

No they cant and no they wont.

They have said from the outset that professional people who are well versed on selling/buying sporting clubs needs to be appointed.

Its been written enough times now that people should know what they are about, but apparently not.

Supporting the Board's desire to seek investors (as they claim) and then going out and doing it with the help of others is an alternative strategy. All I am saying is being a protest group is good for the ego, gets publicity (at least initially) but won't change a thing in my opinion.

When the BU started up they, the club, had pressure heaped upon them (see leaked emails and especially the part were they 'called in favours').

With the pressure off, until now, they did what they wanted and we are no further down the line to getting sold.

Something stinks to high heaven in L4. How can they not find a buyer in these days of the EPL being flush with money, the club with the history it has and with supporters turning up in droves week in, week out.

 

[The Esk]

Don't you think their opinion of the fans is clear though....a bovine mass of consumers necessary for the club to function and therefore for them to make money. As witnessed by the attempt to move us to Kirkby...to a "world class" "effectively free" stadium. Made plain by their dealings with the shareholders in scamming an AGM then scrapping them.

I do mate, but I also have negotiated in my day job far more difficult situations than this.

There's a choice, be a protest group, have your say and grab a few headlines, but in reality, you're (not you personally) unlikely to achieve much as you won't alter the Board's mind, and most fans will see you are a disruptive influence, or secondly work on being a representative group, which represents the main body of fans, who want to see improvement in the club through (i) change of ownership (ii) new stadium (iii) investment to change the business model and funding of the 1st team, and does so by building trust (even with people you may despise) and building an alignment of interests.

What I am suggesting is more difficult and seems counter-intuitive I know that, but from experience elsewhere it has a higher probability of success.

 

[Moomin]

I do mate, but I also have negotiated in my day job far more difficult situations than this.

There's a choice, be a protest group, have your say and grab a few headlines, but in reality, you're (not you personally) unlikely to achieve much as you won't alter the Board's mind, and most fans will see you are a disruptive influence, or secondly work on being a representative group, which represents the main body of fans, who want to see improvement in the club through (i) change of ownership (ii) new stadium (iii) investment to change the business model and funding of the 1st team, and does so by building trust (even with people you may despise) and building an alignment of interests.

What I am suggesting is more difficult and seems counter-intuitive I know that, but form experience elsewhere it has a higher probability of success.

Sometimes it better to play the nice guy.

Everton are always going to have the media on side, best to play the waiting game and let them hang themselves.

I'm anti the current board, I gave up up my season ticket in 2012 because I felt it was the only option I had.

I hope it changes soon, but I doubt it.

 

[Bluesnapper]

Sometimes it better to play the nice guy.

Everton are always going to have the media on side, best to play the waiting game and let them hang themselves.

I'm anti the current board, I gave up up my season ticket in 2012 because I felt it was the only option I had.

I hope it changes soon, but I doubt it.

By the time that has happened, hanging themselves, god only knows what state the club will be in and what ambitions a new owner will have then.

Even now we are rudderless. Kewnright, if you believe some, is ill. Earl is nowehere to be seen. Carter has died and and that leaves Woods minding the affairs of the club.

 

[The Esk]

Sometimes it better to play the nice guy.

Everton are always going to have the media on side, best to play the waiting game and let them hang themselves.

I'm anti the current board, I gave up up my season ticket in 2012 because I felt it was the only option I had.

I hope it changes soon, but I doubt it.

I understand what you say about being the nice guy and playing the waiting game, but I'm not suggesting that. In fact almost the reverse. Being a protest group just entrenches positions and will in my view extend the current situation further.

I'm saying if the objective is change, the strategy should be to facilitate that change, by seeking an alignment of interests between the owners and the fans. They say the club is for sale, investment is welcome, well let the fans assist in that by being part of the process. It just then becomes a question of how?

 

[Bluesnapper]

I'm saying if the objective is change, the strategy should be to facilitate that change, by seeking an alignment of interests between the owners and the fans. They say the club is for sale, investment is welcome, well let the fans assist in that by being part of the process. It just then becomes a question of how?

Again they have continually said they they know best and have the clubs best salesman in situ.

Evidence proves that they are not up to the job.

 

[The Esk]

Again they have continually said they they know best and have the clubs best salesman in situ.

Evidence proves that they are not up to the job.

That may be true mate, but to make progress you have to draw a line. Constantly referring to the past will get the BU nowhere. First rule of negotiation in a conflict situation is to draw a line and focus on what needs to be achieved not the wrong-doings of the past.