The Everton Board Thread 2015/16 [ Not takeover related ]

[davek]

the watchedtoffee comments are very interesting and do get you thinking.
maybe clutching at straws and a conspiracy theory , but maybe something (or someone) has been lurking in the shadows for a few years ?
everton , kenwright , bcr sports , librac , green , earl , samuelson , pini sahavi .... is there potentially a web of deceit and corruption ?

kenwright , who backed him , is he greens puppet ?

bcr sports .... is this just earl ? or if there are others in this investment group , who are they ? are any of the names listed above in it ? what is their intentions ? .... is it literally to have total control in our business dealings to manipulate profit in other ways for themselves ?or is it just to make a massive profit from the sale of the club ? is earl greens puppet ?

librac .... is this earl ? if its others too , who are they ? are any of the names listed above involved in it ? ....... kenwright says none of the board take a penny in pay . but do any of the board make profits from interest made by loaning the club money ? do any of the board make money through other means , ie like lending other clubs money , who then buy and sell players with us ? and is the agent involved in those deals also funded/funding/or connected to the investment group bcr sports or librac ?

is there a smoking gun out there somewhere ? .... one man who may have key information is keith wyness. the saga of when he left , the reasons behind it and the fact earl and green literally raced across the world to shut him up is a pointer imo.

I thought maybe a former CEO who'd been shafted by Green.

 

[Whistlin' Dixie]

I like what he's posting. It's got a lot of people absorbing facts but I wish he'd stick to that as he's doing well. I seen something the other day about him getting dead para about him getting his ticket banned if they knew his identity. He needs to swerve that.

Hope he does a blog and puts it in easy to digest form so it can be shared and appreciated. It links into what @the esk has been saying about presenting the facts to the board with volume of support behind it. They have to respond to it with sufficient media interest in it, and they won't be able to answer some of the points.

AGMs need to be back on the menu as a minimum.

AGM's where billox gives answers to ALL questions (Whether they like the answers or no) & not treat the (rightfully) concerned shareholders & fans like shoite (I'm bored of that question) should be the bare minimum.

But they'll never happen under his tenure. He'll just continue to hide behind "commercial sensitivity" and people entering the AGM by proxy as his excuse for not reintroducing them.

 

[The Esk]

RE confirmed to the shareholders association that there will be an AGM later this year after the publication of accounts post mid-October.

 

[sageyefc]

I like what he's posting. It's got a lot of people absorbing facts but I wish he'd stick to that as he's doing well. I seen something the other day about him getting dead para about him getting his ticket banned if they knew his identity. He needs to swerve that.

Hope he does a blog and puts it in easy to digest form so it can be shared and appreciated. It links into what @the esk has been saying about presenting the facts to the board with volume of support behind it. They have to respond to it with sufficient media interest in it, and they won't be able to answer some of the points.

AGMs need to be back on the menu as a minimum.

Do AGMs actually do anything other than be a platform for elstone to chat bubbles how eveything is rosie

 

[chicoazul]

Do AGMs actually do anything other than be a platform for elstone to chat bubbles how eveything is rosie

It's massively unhealthy for any company of size not to hold them. A lot of the bad feeling comes from that decision and it's a viable platform to communicate with your shareholders, in times of good and bad.

 

[sageyefc]

You know what, am intrigued. Just been reading the "No to Blue Union" twitter account as they seem to be trading tweets to watchedtoffee.

IF it wasn't Bill Kenwright in charge, and it was Peter Johnson... would there be this much support for him? trying to figure out in my head why people are supporting so much, if its for Kenwright or it genuinely is countering by the club. If this was Johnson who had done everything which 90% of the fans know about, would they still get the support?

I wonder if everyone would be a little more unified if people got away from pro/anti-kenwright, and more towards the board and the future of our club.

I might be asking for trouble by asking this, but do pro-kenwright see a good future for our club in the current situation?

No doubt him being a blue makes a difference. And really it shouldn't because at the end of the day we're a business and he and his fellow board members have run a shambles

 

[sageyefc]

It's massively unhealthy for any company of size not to hold them. A lot of the bad feeling comes from that decision and it's a viable platform to communicate with your shareholders, in times of good and bad.

Yeah but is there actually that much communication and probing allowed at it, doesn't seem like it from the outside looking in

 

[ultra]

Don't take this the wrong way but most of what you've put there is irrelevant to what I mean.

The middle ground evertonian won't put pressure on the board because they don't even think there is a problem and have no idea what the board have done in the past.

Hence why the past is relevant.

You can't all about what's needed for the future until the cows come home but until the average evertonian knows what this board has done in the past you won't get any support for future plans

People need to be patient: education is the key to getting a majority of the fans on board, and it isn't gonna happen overnight. The message of what has been going on needs to be put out there regularly, meetings, leaflets, letters, blogs etc. All this takes time, unfortunately.

Why do fans back Bill? It's obvious - he is a passionate fan; he is an actor and so can tug at the heartstrings like a pro; he works hard for the club (unlike the rest of the board); he appears likeable. Protests need to focus on the Board as a whole rather than personalising it as anti-Kenwright. When the arguments are aired, Bill's past statements will come up naturally and people will draw the obvious conclusions ie being "economical with the truth" isn't the preserve of dodgy politicians and civil servants.

 

[Whistlin' Dixie]

RE confirmed to the shareholders association that there will be an AGM later this year after the publication of accounts post mid-October.

And will the attendees be preordained, like the fans committee/forum/council, or whatever they're called? Will the questions be screened & endorsed?

If the answer to either or both are 'no' then I thoroughly expect bill to clam up again.

 

[evo1878]

I feel a bit more optimistic reading that and it really does sound viable . I honestly thought the protest groups had the start of it a few weeks ago but it fizzled out . I honestly thought it was B.U's reputation proceeding them but maybe it was the crude way it was done . They have used all pros previously like Southall and Kendall ( who u-turned recently but that's fine as he can do what he bloody hell wants to as he is Howard Kendall and we love him ) but that didn't work out for them which is strange .

I suppose we can just hope that an unbiased journalist who is ready to take a risk can do an honest and big piece on the situation .

Thanks again , it's great to read some well informed and well put together ideas .

Knowing Howard as well as i do, i think his comments have been taken out of context.

I feel a bit more optimistic reading that and it really does sound viable . I honestly thought the protest groups had the start of it a few weeks ago but it fizzled out . I honestly thought it was B.U's reputation proceeding them but maybe it was the crude way it was done . They have used all pros previously like Southall and Kendall ( who u-turned recently but that's fine as he can do what he bloody hell wants to as he is Howard Kendall and we love him ) but that didn't work out for them which is strange .

I suppose we can just hope that an unbiased journalist who is ready to take a risk can do an honest and big piece on the situation .

Thanks again , it's great to read some well informed and well put together ideas .

I must admit i was bemused when i read the 'u-turn' comments attributed to Howard Kendall. Having spoken with him many many times including recently, i'm fairly certain those comments he made have almost certainly been taken out of context to suit an agenda. While i don't pretend to speak for him I was bemused when i read them because in my experience, he wants only the best for Everton FC. He wants us competing in the Champions League and winning the Premier League with exciting players who want to play for the club. He's not the kind of bloke who needs to rock the boat at all given his status, which he is genuinely very humble about - Catterick should have a statue before they make one of him, Bally should be up there on his own instead of the Holy Trinity etc. He very much has incredible insights and opinions on football and Everton. I know for fact that two of those are also firstly, factually there are worse owners in the world than Kenwright and secondly that Kenwright is doing the best he can. Taken in isolation those opinions can be presented to suggest that he supports the Board's ambition. Taken another way that second comment falls well short of Kenwright and this Board are what Everton needs.

I'm not writing this to name drop or even open a debate (although it is a forum) just simply to correct what you perceive as a 'u-turn' because I'm pretty sure it isn't. Howard is an Evertonian through and through and feels it just like us.

 

[evo1878]

Appreciate you disagree mate.

My reasoning is as follows.

I think we need to look forward and present simple messages to the Board and the press that have an undeniable business logic.

The questions should centre on how the club can be competitive on the pitch through the course of the next broadcasting deal.

The current business strategy will not allow us to be competitive without an even greater level of out-performance relative to our expenditure than we've seen over the last 10 years - high risk and unsustainable in my view.

The future growth in income disparity and availability of capital to invest in the team and income generation activities will significantly impact the ability of the Board to attract investment or sell the club at a price acceptable to them as current owners.

So the need to invest, bring in investors or if they cannot do that, sell the club has an urgency greater than almost anyone imagines.

The fans should pressurise the Board for sure, but it should be about their future plans not the past.

Failure to re-capitalise now will have dire consequences for us as supporters and the Board as shareholders.



By talking about the challenges of the near future and the consequences of not meeting them.

I appreciate not many will agree with this strategy but if you study how political change occurs in conflict situations, barring a revolution (which can't happen in a privately owned company) resolution can only be found by looking forwards not backwards.

Taking the last 20, 15, 10 and 5 years as block comparisons I wonder if the start of the whole debate (that leads someone to focus on Everton) then this article should be phrased in a more generic article about how the Premier League is becoming relatively more uncompetitive over a 38-game season as time progresses. i.e. compared with 20-15 years ago, realistically in the last 5 years there are only ever 2-3 teams who may win it. There are only 4-5 teams who now have any chance of CL qualification and 4-6 teams who might qualify for EL although no one has ever said they are excited about qualifying for EL except the fans.

At what point does the dumbing down of competitive top-level football become enough that fans should just aspire to be in the premier league to make up the numbers and cause the odd upset within 38 games of a season. For me, the premier league is increasingly becoming that or a protracted FA Cup where the ultimate winners will still be from those same 4 and yes there will be a shock for each of them along the road to glory but rather than getting knocked out they still go on to win it or be close to winning it at the end?

 

[chazzle_dazzle]

No doubt him being a blue makes a difference. And really it shouldn't because at the end of the day we're a business and he and his fellow board members have run a shambles

See thats the thing i cant totally get my head around, just because he is a blue its acceptable all the things thats gone on? all the failures, all the "watch this spaces". I'm not anti-Kenwright, am Pro-Everton and i just want whats best for the club.

Whats going on right now, is not best for the club

 

[evo1878]

Just a thought mate, I'm pretty sure every Evertonian saw the need for change, investment and plans for thr futures on the pitch on Sunday.

Not blaming the players but it was men v boys, because of the lack of investment over the last 16 years.

Or seen in the context of investment, City substituted one player that cost them a couple of million pounds more than our entire 20-man squad for that match and £10m more than our entire 25-man squad for the season. The player they replaced him with cost more than our whole team that was on the pitch at the time.

 

[SerenityNigh]

If somebody knows that Watched Toffee lad on twitter, please tell him to lay off the crack

 

[Yayabo]

Article on the Board on ESPN:

http://www.espnfc.com/club/everton/...ests-growing-louder-as-club-fail-to-keep-pace