The Everton Board Thread 2015/16 [ Not takeover related ]

[uknightbreed]

the watchedtoffee comments are very interesting and do get you thinking.

maybe clutching at straws and a conspiracy theory , but maybe something (or someone) has been lurking in the shadows for a few years ?

everton , kenwright , bcr sports , librac , green , earl , samuelson , pini sahavi .... is there potentially a web of deceit and corruption ?

kenwright , who backed him , is he greens puppet ?

bcr sports .... is this just earl ? or if there are others in this investment group , who are they ? are any of the names listed above in it ? what is their intentions ? .... is it literally to have total control in our business dealings to manipulate profit in other ways for themselves ?or is it just to make a massive profit from the sale of the club ? is earl greens puppet ?

librac .... is this earl ? if its others too , who are they ? are any of the names listed above involved in it ? ....... kenwright says none of the board take a penny in pay . but do any of the board make profits from interest made by loaning the club money ? do any of the board make money through other means , ie like lending other clubs money , who then buy and sell players with us ? and is the agent involved in those deals also funded/funding/or connected to the investment group bcr sports or librac ?

is there a smoking gun out there somewhere ? .... one man who may have key information is keith wyness. the saga of when he left , the reasons behind it and the fact earl and green literally raced across the world to shut him up is a pointer imo.

 

[chazzle_dazzle]

You know what, am intrigued. Just been reading the "No to Blue Union" twitter account as they seem to be trading tweets to watchedtoffee.

IF it wasn't Bill Kenwright in charge, and it was Peter Johnson... would there be this much support for him? trying to figure out in my head why people are supporting so much, if its for Kenwright or it genuinely is countering by the club. If this was Johnson who had done everything which 90% of the fans know about, would they still get the support?

I wonder if everyone would be a little more unified if people got away from pro/anti-kenwright, and more towards the board and the future of our club.

I might be asking for trouble by asking this, but do pro-kenwright see a good future for our club in the current situation?

 

[chazzle_dazzle]

the watchedtoffee comments are very interesting and do get you thinking.

maybe clutching at straws and a conspiracy theory , but maybe something (or someone) has been lurking in the shadows for a few years ?

everton , kenwright , bcr sports , librac , green , earl , samuelson , pini sahavi .... is there potentially a web of deceit and corruption ?

kenwright , who backed him , is he greens puppet ?

bcr sports .... is this just earl ? or if there are others in this investment group , who are they ? are any of the names listed above in it ? what is their intentions ? .... is it literally to have total control in our business dealings to manipulate profit in other ways for themselves ?or is it just to make a massive profit from the sale of the club ? is earl greens puppet ?

librac .... is this earl ? if its others too , who are they ? are any of the names listed above involved in it ? ....... kenwright says none of the board take a penny in pay . but do any of the board make profits from interest made by loaning the club money ? do any of the board make money through other means , ie like lending other clubs money , who then buy and sell players with us ? and is the agent involved in those deals also funded/funding/or connected to the investment group bcr sports or librac ?

is there a smoking gun out there somewhere ? .... one man who may have key information is keith wyness. the saga of when he left , the reasons behind it and the fact earl and green literally raced across the world to shut him up is a pointer imo.

Apparently a NDA signed by Mr Wyness will probably prevent too much information dripping out.

 

[Nobby Nobbs]

the watchedtoffee comments are very interesting and do get you thinking.

maybe clutching at straws and a conspiracy theory , but maybe something (or someone) has been lurking in the shadows for a few years ?

everton , kenwright , bcr sports , librac , green , earl , samuelson , pini sahavi .... is there potentially a web of deceit and corruption ?

kenwright , who backed him , is he greens puppet ?

bcr sports .... is this just earl ? or if there are others in this investment group , who are they ? are any of the names listed above in it ? what is their intentions ? .... is it literally to have total control in our business dealings to manipulate profit in other ways for themselves ?or is it just to make a massive profit from the sale of the club ? is earl greens puppet ?

librac .... is this earl ? if its others too , who are they ? are any of the names listed above involved in it ? ....... kenwright says none of the board take a penny in pay . but do any of the board make profits from interest made by loaning the club money ? do any of the board make money through other means , ie like lending other clubs money , who then buy and sell players with us ? and is the agent involved in those deals also funded/funding/or connected to the investment group bcr sports or librac ?

is there a smoking gun out there somewhere ? .... one man who may have key information is keith wyness. the saga of when he left , the reasons behind it and the fact earl and green literally raced across the world to shut him up is a pointer imo.

Sorry to be flippant, but I read that post in the style of the opening sequence of Soap the American 1980's comedy show just couldn't help it.

 

[joey_macmo]

Appreciate you disagree mate.

My reasoning is as follows.

I think we need to look forward and present simple messages to the Board and the press that have an undeniable business logic.

The questions should centre on how the club can be competitive on the pitch through the course of the next broadcasting deal.

The current business strategy will not allow us to be competitive without an even greater level of out-performance relative to our expenditure than we've seen over the last 10 years - high risk and unsustainable in my view.

The future growth in income disparity and availability of capital to invest in the team and income generation activities will significantly impact the ability of the Board to attract investment or sell the club at a price acceptable to them as current owners.

So the need to invest, bring in investors or if they cannot do that, sell the club has an urgency greater than almost anyone imagines.

The fans should pressurise the Board for sure, but it should be about their future plans not the past.

Failure to re-capitalise now will have dire consequences for us as supporters and the Board as shareholders.



By talking about the challenges of the near future and the consequences of not meeting them.

I appreciate not many will agree with this strategy but if you study how political change occurs in conflict situations, barring a revolution (which can't happen in a privately owned company) resolution can only be found by looking forwards not backwards.

Don't take this the wrong way but most of what you've put there is irrelevant to what I mean.

The middle ground evertonian won't put pressure on the board because they don't even think there is a problem and have no idea what the board have done in the past.

Hence why the past is relevant.

You can't all about what's needed for the future until the cows come home but until the average evertonian knows what this board has done in the past you won't get any support for future plans

 

[The Esk]

Don't take this the wrong way but most of what you've put there is irrelevant to what I mean.

The middle ground evertonian won't put pressure on the board because they don't even think there is a problem and have no idea what the board have done in the past.

Hence why the past is relevant.

You can't all about what's needed for the future until the cows come home but until the average evertonian knows what this board has done in the past you won't get any support for future plans

Sure mate, and your opinion is as relevant and valuable as mine, I respect your views.

The question arising though is where does your view lead you to and how does it help achieve the ultimate objective, change?

 

[efcfanwirral]

I just finally read the Daily Mail "golden generation" propaganda nonsense. Absolutely comedy.

 

[Jxg]

Wish I never saw that Watched Toffee. Now am genuinely worried about the club.

 

[chazzle_dazzle]

Wish I never saw that Watched Toffee. Now am genuinely worried about the club.

The scary thing is - the majority of what he is putting out there is in the public domain anyway, but never really been brought out to such effect.

This Power 8 thing is very concerning to me.

But... and it is a big but. there needs to be mass numbers for this to take off, however for some reason the support for Bill Kenwright is bigger then the support for moving forward for a large chunk of our support... Like i point out above, if Johnson was in charge would whats going on now be accepted?

Not sure, but something needs to happen - and if its watched toffee bringing things which are readily available to the masses then so be it.

 

[The Esk]

You can't all about what's needed for the future until the cows come home but until the average evertonian knows what this board has done in the past you won't get any support for future plans

Just a thought mate, I'm pretty sure every Evertonian saw the need for change, investment and plans for thr futures on the pitch on Sunday.

Not blaming the players but it was men v boys, because of the lack of investment over the last 16 years.

 

[efcfanwirral]

Just a thought mate, I'm pretty sure every Evertonian saw the need for change, investment and plans for thr futures on the pitch on Sunday.

Not blaming the players but it was men v boys, because of the lack of investment over the last 16 years.

I think they saw us do what they want / expect of us, and that is "put up a fight"

 

[beautifulthing]

I think what @the esk is trying to put across is that supporters groups need to adopt on "eyes on the prize" strategy and that by irritating the sensitivities of the various business people who run the club their ears are likely to be closed to even the beneficial suggestions put to them.

If I were in their place, someone who began a conversation with the words "Now see here, you thieving incompetent tool" wouldn't get the chance to say much more.

 

[efcfanwirral]

The scary thing is - the majority of what he is putting out there is in the public domain anyway, but never really been brought out to such effect.

This Power 8 thing is very concerning to me.

But... and it is a big but. there needs to be mass numbers for this to take off, however for some reason the support for Bill Kenwright is bigger then the support for moving forward for a large chunk of our support... Like i point out above, if Johnson was in charge would whats going on now be accepted?

Not sure, but something needs to happen - and if its watched toffee bringing things which are readily available to the masses then so be it.

Ive tweeted him with a suggestion - that stuff he put up needs to go on a blog. I know its more likely to get taken down (for all kinds of reasons the club could get this done - defamation etc) but if its just in a twitter account across multiple tweets where you have to read backwards, and scroll down for ages to get to the decent info about the mortgages etc it will never get to people because loads hate / dont use / dont trust Twitter and its not shareable.

get this lot in a blog post, (or a series of more digestible posts split into the various topics) , and eyes will be opened. Until then nobody will read it

 

[Whistlin' Dixie]

That's not true.

Oh, sorry. It's enough for any other CEO's to be sacked for it - in his opinion.

 

[chicoazul]

Oh, sorry. It's enough for any other CEO's to be sacked for it - in his opinion.

I like what he's posting. It's got a lot of people absorbing facts but I wish he'd stick to that as he's doing well. I seen something the other day about him getting dead para about him getting his ticket banned if they knew his identity. He needs to swerve that.

Hope he does a blog and puts it in easy to digest form so it can be shared and appreciated. It links into what @the esk has been saying about presenting the facts to the board with volume of support behind it. They have to respond to it with sufficient media interest in it, and they won't be able to answer some of the points.

AGMs need to be back on the menu as a minimum.