The Everton Board Thread 2015/16 [ Not takeover related ]

[Number_25]

Press saying they'll sack Martinez if he doesn't sell top players.

http://www.express.co.uk/sport/foot...ton-sack-unless-he-fixes-transfer-window-woes

If we lose Martinez over this, I genuinely fear for our clubs premier league future. No chance in hell will Moyes return after the crap we threw at him two seasons ago.

Then again, it is the express.

 

[jayden28]

The board let stones take the flak here and they don't. They rub there hands at selling him and if Martinez gets that to spend or not it's not a good way to run the club. Next season it's rom then Coleman then Barkley. There's to a familiar pattern under this corrupt board please just go for Christs sake yous are slowly making us a " has been club" who have been over taken by other clubs and it's saddening.

Sadly we are already "a has been club",£4.5m spent suggests that.

 

[chazzle_dazzle]

That's a stretch and a half.

Seriously.

So in your world we just stock pile players and never sell them. Yeah let's keep hold of Jack Rodwell, he was tearing the PL apart, or Andy Johnson, massive success that lad...

Shall we literally go back and look at every other team out there and show that players are bought and sold....because that's how football works.

At least you've made me laugh, well done

Sorry mate, hahaha i am not replying to you on purpose.

Yeah completely agree, our business model is to buy young develop and sell high. there is nothing wrong with that the majority of clubs do the same thing.

I think the frustrations are with the fact that more often then not we do it to the best players without holding onto them, or attempting to, without successfully replacing them and reinvesting.

For example, lets think of other clubs who sold players - which every club does, UTD with Ronaldo, Spurs with Bale, the [Poor language removed] with Sterling and Suarez (cant be bothered going through too many others).

They all got sizable fee's for these players we will all agree. did they reinvest every penny and more? I think Spurs spent over 100million that year they sold Bale, so they spent more then they brought in.

We do have to sell players, thats a fact of football. however the other fact of football is you have to improve your team, and you do that by trying to hold onto your better players and building around them.

If, and its a big if, with every player we sold we invested 100% of the fee's into the squad with new players i dont think this selling to buy would be an issue, the issue is more (for me personally) we dont invest all the money - lots has gone missing. Next year it might be lukaku, we have got 6 days to improve the squad with money we could get from John Stones sale. to me thats impossible, EVERY club knows we will be desperate.

Like i said before, there are bigger fish to fry with the board - however lack of investment from them, and reinvestment from sales of players is probably more visible to people then others.

 

[nsno-chris]

I think you're the one who's confused, as it's apparent that you can't even answer a simple question correctly. You even made up some whopper about Baines & Coleman & McCarthy ALL handing in last minute transfer requests (Show me evidence?).......but you've now deflected from that for some strange reason.

Probably because you're talking through MY 'arris??

You were asked how many clubs (with the same board/chairman) have had 5 players hand in transfer requests in the final week of the window in the time kenwright has (ie since rooney). The answers you gave (apart from no more than 1-2 examples from the same club) were incorrect because most of the players you mentioned were sold well before the last week of the window, and most of them didn't hand in requests but were sold anyway.

To clarify. Players handing in transfer requests in the last week of the window doesn't happen anywhere else with the same frequency as it does here.

Got that? Good. Now tell me why it's such a frequent event here as opposed to other clubs. And don't make up more cack. Thanks.

I'll deal with your utter tosh when I get home from work.

 

[Mikey_Fitzgerald]

There's no way we'd sack Martinez

He might quit, but we'd never sack him

 

[Whistlin' Dixie]

I'll deal with your utter tosh when I get home from work.

Yep. Take as much time as you need. But please, no more making things up.......Like Baines, Coleman & McCarthy.

 

[jayden28]

Press saying they'll sack Martinez if he doesn't sell top players.

http://www.express.co.uk/sport/foot...ton-sack-unless-he-fixes-transfer-window-woes

The sun reporting Everton are making plans to sell stones,apparently we have secretly trying to buy out a 4.5m sell on clause,it is the press so it's probably nothing.

 

[Moomin]

There's no way we'd sack Martinez

He might quit, but we'd never sack him

If the fans turn on the board, Martinez will be thrown under the bus as a last throw of the dice.

 

[nsno-chris]

Sorry mate, hahaha i am not replying to you on purpose.

Yeah completely agree, our business model is to buy young develop and sell high. there is nothing wrong with that the majority of clubs do the same thing.

I think the frustrations are with the fact that more often then not we do it to the best players without holding onto them, or attempting to, without successfully replacing them and reinvesting.

For example, lets think of other clubs who sold players - which every club does, UTD with Ronaldo, Spurs with Bale, the [Poor language removed] with Sterling and Suarez (cant be bothered going through too many others).

They all got sizable fee's for these players we will all agree. did they reinvest every penny and more? I think Spurs spent over 100million that year they sold Bale, so they spent more then they brought in.

We do have to sell players, thats a fact of football. however the other fact of football is you have to improve your team, and you do that by trying to hold onto your better players and building around them.

If, and its a big if, with every player we sold we invested 100% of the fee's into the squad with new players i dont think this selling to buy would be an issue, the issue is more (for me personally) we dont invest all the money - lots has gone missing. Next year it might be lukaku, we have got 6 days to improve the squad with money we could get from John Stones sale. to me thats impossible, EVERY club knows we will be desperate.

Like i said before, there are bigger fish to fry with the board - however lack of investment from them, and reinvestment from sales of players is probably more visible to people then others.

And this is the crux of the issue with regards to reinvestment. The business as no sizeable margin on anything other than transfer sales, the business model at goodsion is flawed and has been since the 90s. The sales need to support the operation costs

And it all goes back to what I said last night, we do not have a blue chip board and 23% of the ownership lies in a web of secrets in the bvi.

Problem on this forum is some people don't understand the basic

 

[Efc 9911]

They need to keep the players. Look at what clubs like Dortmund and atletico have done on a small budget. They have a good young team and need to build on it not just let players leave whenever they want a year after signing a contract.

 

[Mikey_Fitzgerald]

If the fans turn on the board, Martinez will be thrown under the bus as a last throw of the dice.

I doubt that would help to be honest

I honestly think that if they sit on this Stones money there'll be a geunine backlash

Not sure how intense it would be yet, but I think it could happen

 

[chazzle_dazzle]

And this is the crux of the issue with regards to reinvestment. The business as no sizeable margin on anything other than transfer sales, the business model at goodsion is flawed and has been since the 90s. The sales need to support the operation costs

And it all goes back to what I said last night, we do not have a blue chip board and 23% of the ownership lies in a web of secrets in the bvi.

Problem on this forum is some people don't understand the basic

Again completely agree... the lack of direction and business plan of the current custodians have left us in this position. Sell to keep money going into the club.

 

[Mayz]

Off with there heads.

 

[magicjuan]

Every year?? Really, ok

It's also not every year or window we buy someone either, books, cooks, nods and winks, how we roll....

 

[Number_25]

Had the missus take a quick look at the club for us, and she has just emailed me. Summaries from the email:

• We took a £10m loan out two/three years ago against future television revenue. Bit silly as this was never guaranteed, if we were to go down then we'd go bankrupt fairly quickly without some kind of cash injection.
• The VIBRAC loan is shady, no explanation as to why it was made considering no direct investment was made from it. She seems to think it was to pay of debts from the previous owners, but this is a silly move as it would of been better to just restructure existing debt as the previous lenders would of preferred to of had it over time. Also, putting it against the stadium is dangerous - not many clubs actually do this.
  
• We've borrowed on a couple of times on "future assets", but as she pointed out - we do not own our training ground and we own no land beyond Goodison Park, which is too old and decrepit to capitalise on financially beyond tickets and match-day revenues. Future assets implies (to her) that this is against the sale of players, as this is all we have as a club - financially speaking.
  
• We're one of very few English clubs not to actually own their training complex, reducing tangible club assets to minimal levels.
• The kitbag and Chang deals are horrendously low compared to clubs with similar stature. She also believes that we are one of very few top flight clubs (she only noted the newly-promoted sides as being the other clubs) not to have any kind of real marketing operation in emerging football economies of the far east.
• Financially, we're on a tightrope. If we were to see a exodus of talent after another bad season, our value will decrease sharply and we'll have nothing to pay off the loans with - even with TV revenues.

The way forward.

• Consistently compete in the league. Top half finishes are imperative, season in, season out. She says that the league is becoming very much about 6 or 7 teams competing for the top 4 - and then the rest battling it out against relegation. We need to be in the first bracket.
  
• Champions League football for two seasons may be enough to get us out of this, but the gamble may not be worth it. She talked a bit about Portsmouth, and how they fell into the trap of overborrowing to compete.
• The Europa League is not worth it, if we qualify then we shouldn't make it our priority as the financial incentives aren't worth losing league performance.
• Selling key players is all the club can do right now to guarantee financially stability, but this must be kept at a minimal to ensure that the club is competitive. John Stones just has to go.
• Remain stable as a club and business.