The Everton Board Thread 2015/16 [ Not takeover related ]

[billycopper]

The first team is okay if onit, the squad is poor

Hypothetically, say we've got up to £50m (including the Stones money) to spend on an Ozil, Silva, Oscar type player. Ideally we're just waiting for Chelsea to hand over the cash and we're ready to go. I would call that an improvement. It's easier for us to find a replacement for Stones cheaply than it is to find a great playmaker with comparatively little money to spend.

Once that's happened we've broken even. We don't really need to do too much else to the first team unless someone exceptional comes along and we can start to work on our strength in depth. If we have a surplus of £10m in the next window we can start to upgrade our shadow squad and bring in a decent back up striker.

IF that is the strategy it seems perfectly reasonable to me. Arsenal had to sell their assets for years while they were paying for their stadium and Spurs are selling to buy while they look to move away from White Hart Lane. We're going to need to have money in the bank either to redevelop Goodison or to move to a new ground. Trying to achieve that and compete in the league is tough and I'm happy that we're moving in the right direction.

 

[RaleighBlue]

Nothing will be done, we will bend over and take it deep once more from the board and in 6 months people will start moaning again.

Has to start somewhere.

@the esk getting vocal about it has perked me up. His message being argued on Talksport and the like is how things like this will eventually change. Let's be fair, most Evertonians aren't digging up every piece of dirt on the board they can - they go to the match, they watch Sky/BBC, and they listen to things like Talksport. It's up to the fans to spread the message to those people, and to do it in a way that does not make them defensive.

Get the silent majority on your side. Something like Stones being sold (if that happens) could well be a catalyst, but it does require organized, concerted effort.

 

[marty mcfly]

Has to start somewhere.

@the esk getting vocal about it has perked me up. His message being argued on Talksport and the like is how things like this will eventually change. Let's be fair, most Evertonians aren't digging up every piece of dirt on the board they can - they go to the match, they watch Sky/BBC, and they listen to things like Talksport. It's up to the fans to spread the message to those people, and to do it in a way that does not make them defensive.

Get the silent majority on your side. Something like Stones being sold (if that happens) could well be a catalyst, but it does require organized, concerted effort.

Well my opinion has certainly turned recently towards them. Sure I can see their point of view but as custodians of the club their own desire to make a huge profit shouldn't out way what they are likely going to do to the club holding out for any longer. It really is time to go.

 

[Carlito]

I think what's surprised me the most over the past few weeks has been the unfaltering support for a gang of arl millionaires that have done literally nothing of note for the club. You'd think we were talking about great men.

What exactly do these people think we'd be missing out on if we were no longer led by these captains of industry?

 

[jaycee]

Absolutely nothing will happen concerning protests against the board,Stones handing in a transfer request absolves them fron any blame,the timing of it leaves very little chance of spendiing to improve the squad and the people supporting the board dont see a problem

 

[Caolam]

Hypothetically, say we've got up to £50m (including the Stones money) to spend on an Ozil, Silva, Oscar type player. Ideally we're just waiting for Chelsea to hand over the cash and we're ready to go. I would call that an improvement. It's easier for us to find a replacement for Stones cheaply than it is to find a great playmaker with comparatively little money to spend.

Once that's happened we've broken even. We don't really need to do too much else to the first team unless someone exceptional comes along and we can start to work on our strength in depth. If we have a surplus of £10m in the next window we can start to upgrade our shadow squad and bring in a decent back up striker.

IF that is the strategy it seems perfectly reasonable to me. Arsenal had to sell their assets for years while they were paying for their stadium and Spurs are selling to buy while they look to move away from White Hart Lane. We're going to need to have money in the bank either to redevelop Goodison or to move to a new ground. Trying to achieve that and compete in the league is tough and I'm happy that we're moving in the right direction.

Selling the best prospect in England is moving in right direction ? If you were a top class playmaker you who be busting a gut to get to Everton, after all we are not a selling club, we build on our assets, develop talent and bring them to the next level.

 

[marty mcfly]

Selling the best prospect in England is moving in right direction ? If you were a top class playmaker you who be busting a gut to get to Everton, after all we are not a selling club, we build on our assets, develop talent and bring them to the next level.

Actually if I was a player looking to get a move to one of the top clubs then I would want to see us sell Stones.

The last thing I would want is to join a team in our position knowing they will hold on to me and stall my career.

 

[Caolam]

Actually if I was a player looking to get a move to one of the top clubs then I would want to see us sell Stones.

The last thing I would want is to join a team in our position knowing they will hold on to me and stall my career.

Actually I would want to see the club match my ambitions.

 

[Tchnique]

Hypothetically, say we've got up to £50m (including the Stones money) to spend on an Ozil, Silva, Oscar type player. Ideally we're just waiting for Chelsea to hand over the cash and we're ready to go. I would call that an improvement. It's easier for us to find a replacement for Stones cheaply than it is to find a great playmaker with comparatively little money to spend.

Once that's happened we've broken even. We don't really need to do too much else to the first team unless someone exceptional comes along and we can start to work on our strength in depth. If we have a surplus of £10m in the next window we can start to upgrade our shadow squad and bring in a decent back up striker.

IF that is the strategy it seems perfectly reasonable to me. Arsenal had to sell their assets for years while they were paying for their stadium and Spurs are selling to buy while they look to move away from White Hart Lane. We're going to need to have money in the bank either to redevelop Goodison or to move to a new ground. Trying to achieve that and compete in the league is tough and I'm happy that we're moving in the right direction.

There is no way this club spends all of the Stones money this year. Also gunning for a world class player isn't gonna work. Who would want to come to a club with an ownership group who doesn't care what the team does, as long as they stay up.

There are too many holes in the team to splurge 35+m on one player. I don't know if I trust any of the young CBs to take over full time this year. Especially as I have not been over the moon with Jags. So we've got to find someone to replace him, someone with top flight experience.

 

[Jxg]

Hypothetically, say we've got up to £50m (including the Stones money) to spend on an Ozil, Silva, Oscar type player. Ideally we're just waiting for Chelsea to hand over the cash and we're ready to go. I would call that an improvement. It's easier for us to find a replacement for Stones cheaply than it is to find a great playmaker with comparatively little money to spend.

Once that's happened we've broken even. We don't really need to do too much else to the first team unless someone exceptional comes along and we can start to work on our strength in depth. If we have a surplus of £10m in the next window we can start to upgrade our shadow squad and bring in a decent back up striker.

IF that is the strategy it seems perfectly reasonable to me. Arsenal had to sell their assets for years while they were paying for their stadium and Spurs are selling to buy while they look to move away from White Hart Lane. We're going to need to have money in the bank either to redevelop Goodison or to move to a new ground. Trying to achieve that and compete in the league is tough and I'm happy that we're moving in the right direction.

Difference is mate that Arsenal and Spurs have boards which are completely inept, corrupt and fraudulent. They had actual progress on their stadium moves while they were selling players. We are no closer to moving to a new stadium than we were 50 years ago. Let that sink in.

 

[chazzle_dazzle]

I think there are a lot of reasons why many people don't buy into the BU..
A lot of the followers are very angry, they rant at the board, and if you ask something reasonable, often they rant at you too, kind of lessens the impact of the board rant and just makes them look angry and venting instead tbh.

A lot come across as paranoid as well which doesn't help, no matter how far the reach, anything bad absolutely must be linked back to Kenwright..
My hat goes off to those posters like the Esk who have bought up facts and draped their opinions over those, and then sold what they say as fact based opinion, or just posted the facts without bias, calmly, as opposed to those who use guesses and try to sell it forcefully as fact.

Also a lot of other buyers out there have been horror shows, name changes, strip colour changes, relegations, poor managers and even going bankrupt. This hasn't helped peoples mind-sets regarding a want to change.

The main reason though imo, would be that most fans don't care.. Not about Everton, they care about that utterly, but about things like.. what header the heavily audited accounts show lawnmowers and does Kenwright know what is contained within this header?.. , this is very very far from their interest, they will be concerned or excited about a potential ground move, if it fails, meh shame, because what really matters is what happens on the grass...

And it doesn't take a huge amount of knowledge to know that what happened on the pitch under this board is actually massive progress... and most footie fans main priority is progress and doing well on the pitch.

Cup finals, Europe, even CL qualifiers compared to the 90's dogs of war before Kenwright became chairman. This is why the takeup is so slow more than anything else imo, we are a much, much, better football team than before and that is hard to ignore.

The fact we are very unlikely to improve doesn't alter that, and this club in decline and Kenwrights killing us etc from years ago has simply not stood up .

Our squad is worth more than ever, with Deulofeu and Cleverly joining a superb squad with the likes of Baines, Stones, Mcarthy, Coleman, Lukaku, Barkley, Mirallas etc.

How many of you have claimed that under this board we will inevitably lose Baines, Coleman, Barkley, Stones, Mirallas etc?? their staying doesn't really help the argument either.

Plenty of legitimate issues to beat the board with, but too many insist on uses guesses and scaremongering that ultimately, repeatedly, gets proven wrong imo, but it doesn't really matter, because ultimately, whilst we do well on the pitch, I suspect no one that doesn't have the facts already is going to listen anyway. And that is why people don't back the BU, I suspect most don't think the board are as bad as they are. Failing to realise we are one bad manager from being right in the brown stuff.

Sorry I purposefully stayed away form the forum last night after hearing the news - couldnt handle the melt down.

I think you might misunderstand me, I am not a anti kenwright person in the slightest so what you say "how many of you" thats not really my bag - I am purely pro Everton. I think thats why I am trying to understand mindsets of no matter what happens Bill always gets supported, because surely we should all be under the same umbrella of trying to better our club, because the club is the only thing which matters.

The problem from the other side of the bush is the current custodians have left themselves open to ridicule through all the failures and lack of investment.

You mention above the slow uptake might be because of the on pitch performance, while i agree to some extent, I am still not convinced its purely that. Will we still clap the board if John Stones goes? Was it Johns Decision? Was it the clubs? I have absolutely no idea, but we are in a different position now then where we were in 2004. Surely, we should be ambitious enough to keep our top talent now and if progress is to be carried on on the pitch are we going to successfully do that if we sell our top talent and not reinvest in the squad?

I say that last bit purely because we have been in the position many times before, we will 100% not invest every penny of what John Stones goes for. If we did, that would be one less thing to beat the board with, but we wont, history tells us this.

What happened if John was waiting for us to make a sign of intent, that we where going to take our progress on the pitch and sign a player to challenge the top 4? I'd do that if i was a player who didn't support the club.

We have made progress on the pitch, there is no doubt about that - but the players we have are because of players we sold. and plenty of wheeling and dealing by Martinez, and Moyes before.

I still hold the opinion, Moyes was the best thing to happen to the board, he single handedly kept the wolves at bay because of his performances in the league with the squad he had - no one wanted to rock the boat.

Still, there are so many other things the board should be beaten with - Stadiums, investment, 24/7 searches, lack of commercial accumen, the merchandising issues many more. Too many failed promises now to sit here and say they have fulfilled them. I like bill, i have said it plenty of times - he is a character and knows what he is doing - but he and the rest of them (in particular bob) needs to move on now.

 

[matty1878]

The board let stones take the flak here and they don't. They rub there hands at selling him and if Martinez gets that to spend or not it's not a good way to run the club. Next season it's rom then Coleman then Barkley. There's to a familiar pattern under this corrupt board please just go for Christs sake yous are slowly making us a " has been club" who have been over taken by other clubs and it's saddening.

 

[nsno-chris]

The board let stones take the flak here and they don't. They rub there hands at selling him and if Martinez gets that to spend or not it's not a good way to run the club. Next season it's rom then Coleman then Barkley. There's to a familiar pattern under this corrupt board please just go for Christs sake yous are slowly making us a " has been club" who have been over taken by other clubs and it's saddening.

What's the familiar pattern; and if so why wasn't baines sold 3 years ago, or Coleman 2 years ago or Mccarthy last year.

 

[matty1878]

What's the familiar pattern; and if so why wasn't baines sold 3 years ago, or Coleman 2 years ago or Mccarthy last year.

They're nxt. The familiar pattern of having no money and selling to buy that's pretty obvious. This board has to go it's beyond me how anybody can support or trust them.

 

[nsno-chris]

They're nxt. The familiar pattern of having no money and selling to buy that's pretty obvious. This board has to go it's beyond me how anybody can support or trust them.

So why haven't they been sold in the past?? Pretty simple question, surely you'd be selling a major asset every year. Like it or not every club buy to sell, apart from city, even Chelsea still sell people.

You're making out we are selling a star every year, when in reality we simply are not