The Everton Board Thread 2015/16 [ Not takeover related ]

[matty1878]

So why haven't they been sold in the past?? Pretty simple question, surely you'd be selling a major asset every year. Like it or not every club buy to sell, apart from city, even Chelsea still sell people.

You're making out we are selling a star every year, when in reality we simply are not

This boards taking us one way mate wake up.

 

[chazzle_dazzle]

So why haven't they been sold in the past?? Pretty simple question, surely you'd be selling a major asset every year. Like it or not every club buy to sell, apart from city, even Chelsea still sell people.

You're making out we are selling a star every year, when in reality we simply are not

I would probably take a look at our transfer history, http://www.soccerbase.com/teams/team.sd?team_id=942&teamTabs=transfers for example if you look on here you will see that we dont buy without selling.

Last year we bought in lukaku et al, however the season before we brought in 20million + of transfer fees, which wasnt spent. So dont be thinking last years buying was because of the money we have running through the club...

We might not sell every year, but we always sell to buy.

 

[nsno-chris]

This boards taking us one way mate wake up.

So you can't answer the question then. Surely assets would be sold every year, but they are not, only when the player has forced the issue.

I don't need to wake up, I'm business astute and I understand how business works. Like every other business football is based on making a profit on your assets. And I also understand that our football club has deep lying issues that go far beyond what you believe. That's my issue with the board, not throwing my toys out the pram because players want to move on

 

[nsno-chris]

I would probably take a look at our transfer history, http://www.soccerbase.com/teams/team.sd?team_id=942&teamTabs=transfers for example if you look on here you will see that we dont buy without selling.

Last year we bought in lukaku et al, however the season before we brought in 20million + of transfer fees, which wasnt spent. So dont be thinking last years buying was because of the money we have running through the club...

We might not sell every year, but we always sell to buy.

I'm well aware. Like the majority of football clubs; it's business. By an asset and sell it on for a profit. Like I've just said the issue runs deeper than what's on paper

 

[chazzle_dazzle]

I'm well aware. Like the majority of football clubs; it's business. By an asset and sell it on for a profit. Like I've just said the issue runs deeper than what's on paper

100% agree, i was only highlighting that we always sell to spend. We will sell Stones, we wont invest all the money i am 100% sure of that.

As i wrote (in a really long winded post on the page before)... the issues are long and deepseeded at the moment

 

[Mikey_Fitzgerald]

Selling Stones and actually giving the money to Martinez to spend isn't a massive black eye on the board. It's upsetting, but if he can get 2-3 players in that he really wants with the money then there is at least a business reason that makes sense for the sale

Selling Stones and then hoarding the money would be the moment where I, and no doubt a lot of others, would finally turn on this board for good

Notice I didn't mention turning on Kenwright, I mentioned the board as a whole

They're ALL to blame for this. He's just the figurehead taking the slack

Just removing Kenwright as chairman does nothing. The board as a whole needs big chance

 

[matty1878]

So you can't answer the question then. Surely assets would be sold every year, but they are not, only when the player has forced the issue.

I don't need to wake up, I'm business astute and I understand how business works. Like every other business football is based on making a profit on your assets. And I also understand that our football club has deep lying issues that go far beyond what you believe. That's my issue with the board, not throwing my toys out the pram because players want to move on

I can like a poster has said its every other year pretty much. I don't care if stones wants to go. I care that the people who run this club are running us into the ground. Clap clap clap clap

We can't go on like this it's just not right and Everton football club deserve better

 

[Number_25]

So why haven't they been sold in the past?? Pretty simple question, surely you'd be selling a major asset every year. Like it or not every club buy to sell, apart from city, even Chelsea still sell people.

You're making out we are selling a star every year, when in reality we simply are not

Let's look at this hypothesis in detail. Football didn't start in 1992, but I guess that 23 years is long enough to evaluate the above statement.

4th February 1992: Martin Keown signs for Arsenal for £2m.
16th July 1993: Peter Beardsley signs for Newcastle for £1.4m
1st August 1994: Tony Cottee leaves for West Ham for £1.5m
29th January 1997: Andrei Kanchelskis leaves for Fiorentina for £8m
6th February 1998: Gary Speed leaves for Newcastle for £6m
24th November 1998: Duncan Ferguson leaves for Newcastle for £8m
29th June 1999: Olivier Dacourt leaves for Lens for £6.5m
18th July 2000: Nick Barmby leaves for Liverpool for £6m
14th June 2001: Francis Jeffers leaves for Arsenal for £8m
31st August 2004: Wayne Rooney leaves for Manchester United for £26-32m
14th January 2005: Thomas Gravesen leaves for Real Madrid for £2.45m
6th May 2008: Andrew Johnson leaves for Fulham for £10.5m
25th August 2009: Joleon Lescott leaves for Manchester City for £24m
18th January 2011: Steven Pienaar leaves for Tottenham for £2m
31st August 2011: Mikel Arteta leaves for Arsenal for £10m
12th August 2012: Jack Rodwell leaves for Manchester City for £12m
2nd September 2013: Marouane Fellaini leaves for Manchester United for £27.5m

 

[jimmythenut]

There's not one bit of transparency with the fan base. It was only 18 mths ago when Elstone stated the club would be more open and keep us in the loop regarding potential ground moves and general club matters.

It's the sheer fact that they hide away from everything and there's no relationship with the fans that really angers me.

If they came out with a statement saying transfer budget is severely cut because we're saving for a new stadium, I'd accept that.
But when you don't get a whisper... You start to wonder what's actually going on at this club.

 

[nsno-chris]

I can like a poster has said its every other year pretty much. I don't care if stones wants to go. I care that the people who run this club are running us into the ground. Clap clap clap clap

We can't go on like this it's just not right and Everton football club deserve better

Every year?? Really, ok

 

[Chang Elephant]

I am trying to understand mindsets of no matter what happens Bill always gets supported, because surely we should all be under the same umbrella of trying to better our club, because the club is the only thing which matters.

It's very similar to a personality cult. Those affected by Bill's charisma prioritise him doing well, and his media image of doing well, above the club's health.

 

[chazzle_dazzle]

It's very similar to a personality cult. Those affected by Bill's charisma prioritise him doing well, and his media image of doing well, above the club's health.

Which is absolutely mental - in the most weird way possible. It honestly baffles me when people don't prioritise the club as number 1. I dont like agendas either way, people against or for bill... the only agenda everyone should support is Everton football club.

 

[nsno-chris]

Let's look at this hypothesis in detail. Football didn't start in 1992, but I guess that 23 years is long enough to evaluate the above statement.

4th February 1992: Martin Keown signs for Arsenal for £2m.
16th July 1993: Peter Beardsley signs for Newcastle for £1.4m
1st August 1994: Tony Cottee leaves for West Ham for £1.5m
29th January 1997: Andrei Kanchelskis leaves for Fiorentina for £8m
6th February 1998: Gary Speed leaves for Newcastle for £6m
24th November 1998: Duncan Ferguson leaves for Newcastle for £8m
29th June 1999: Olivier Dacourt leaves for Lens for £6.5m
18th July 2000: Nick Barmby leaves for Liverpool for £6m
14th June 2001: Francis Jeffers leaves for Arsenal for £8m
31st August 2004: Wayne Rooney leaves for Manchester United for £26-32m
14th January 2005: Thomas Gravesen leaves for Real Madrid for £2.45m
6th May 2008: Andrew Johnson leaves for Fulham for £10.5m
25th August 2009: Joleon Lescott leaves for Manchester City for £24m
18th January 2011: Steven Pienaar leaves for Tottenham for £2m
31st August 2011: Mikel Arteta leaves for Arsenal for £10m
12th August 2012: Jack Rodwell leaves for Manchester City for £12m
2nd September 2013: Marouane Fellaini leaves for Manchester United for £27.5m

That's a stretch and a half.

Seriously.

So in your world we just stock pile players and never sell them. Yeah let's keep hold of Jack Rodwell, he was tearing the PL apart, or Andy Johnson, massive success that lad...

Shall we literally go back and look at every other team out there and show that players are bought and sold....because that's how football works.

At least you've made me laugh, well done

 

[kenada_blue]

Press saying they'll sack Martinez if he doesn't sell top players.

http://www.express.co.uk/sport/foot...ton-sack-unless-he-fixes-transfer-window-woes

 

[Whistlin' Dixie]

Wait there, lets back up a minute because I think you're confusing yourself.

You're blaming Everton because John Stones has handed in a transfer request in the last week of the window and basically saying the board are, on purpose, cashing in our stars by selling them in the last week of the window (despite them all handing in a transfer request). Yet accepting that they haven't sold these other players because they haven't handed in a request??

So surely if the board are just cashing wouldn't they be selling assets every year, whether or not they hand in a request

I think you've riddled yourself

I think you're the one who's confused, as it's apparent that you can't even answer a simple question correctly. You even made up some whopper about Baines & Coleman & McCarthy ALL handing in last minute transfer requests (Show me evidence?).......but you've now deflected from that for some strange reason.

Probably because you're talking through MY 'arris??

You were asked how many clubs (with the same board/chairman) have had 5 players hand in transfer requests in the final week of the window in the time kenwright has (ie since rooney). The answers you gave (apart from no more than 1-2 examples from the same club) were incorrect because most of the players you mentioned were sold well before the last week of the window, and most of them didn't hand in requests but were sold anyway.

To clarify. Players handing in transfer requests in the last week of the window doesn't happen anywhere else with the same frequency as it does here.

Got that? Good. Now tell me why it's such a frequent event here as opposed to other clubs. And don't make up more cack. Thanks.