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The Everton Board Thread 2015/16 [ Not takeover related ]

Is it time for change?

  • I'm happy with the way thing are. Kenwright and the Board should stay.

    Votes: 75 10.2%
  • Kenwright and the board need to go. We need change.

    Votes: 558 76.2%
  • I'm indifferent. Can't decide.

    Votes: 99 13.5%

  • Total voters
    732
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That 'watchedtoffee' fella on twitter is putting a lot of info out tonight. Info thats already been out there but when it's all put together, it's rather worrying
Some interesting stuff. The VIBRAC name thing is a bit conspiracy theory to me...even if it's accurate it comes off as a bit weird.

Otherwise fairly interesting, would be good to see more hard data backing up what he's saying rather than just putting together circumstantial evidence - but that requires real investigative journalism...which is probably asking too much of the football press.
 
Crystal Palace chairman and owner Steve Parrish (the one with that smackable gob) speaking to the express about the club.

http://www.express.co.uk/sport/foot...verton-Bill-Kenwright-Premier-League-Football

Yet while football gorges itself on even more money, a buyer remains elusive.

It has become a point of contention for a minority who, prior to Everton's eye-catching 3-0 victory over Southampton last weekend, paid for a light aircraft to fly over St Mary's trailing a banner calling for the board to stand down.

Around 30 protestors congregated outside the ground before Sunday's defeat to Manchester City.

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<--- Smack here

Crystal Palace co-owner Steve Parish believes Kenwright must sell to the right buyer
The aircraft stunt rankles, but Kenwright, who does not need the hassle let alone the abuse - that comes with running a Premier League club, would concur. That is the easy part.

Everton were one of the Big Five along with Arsenal, Liverpool, Man United and Tottenham when Sky was negotiating to administer its grip on the game in 1992.

Yet it is interesting to view how the Premier League landscape has changed since Kenwright, and True Blue Holdings, officially took control of Everton on Boxing Day, 1999.

He was the chairman and owner the Everton supporters, unhappy with the excesses of predecessor Peter Johnson who overspent and then had to sell players, wanted.

The 5-0 thrashing of Sunderland that day was straight from the sort of script the theatre impresario might have penned himself.

Of the 19 other clubs in the Premier League back then, only one has not been taken over since. Middlesbrough remains under the control of Steve Gibson.

Chelsea, Manchester City, Manchester United have all changed hands with plenty of success. Arsenal and Liverpool followed suit, but have found silverware rather more elusive.

A list of the other clubs, some of which have been bought and sold more than once, makes interesting reading: Leeds, Aston Villa, Sunderland, Leicester, West Ham United, Tottenham, Newcastle United, Coventry City, Southampton, Derby County, Bradford, Wimbledon, Sheffield Wednesday and Watford.


A protest banner which flew over St Mary's during Everton's 3-0 win against Southampton
The fluctuating fortunes of 12 of those suggests a takeover does not provide a panacea. The plights of Portsmouth and Birmingham City would stand as other examples.

"If there is a chance it could be 5pc better, then it could also be 95 per cent worse," said Steve Parish, chairman and co-owner of Crystal Palace, a pertinent voice given the perception has built in some quarters that Everton are in danger of being usurped by the south London club.

"It is not difficult to get relegated from the Premier League. It doesn't take much mismanagement to do that."

Kenwright did not attract the Abu Dhabi billions which have transformed Manchester City or The Glazers at United.

But neither has he acted like Peter Ridsdale did at Elland Road in pursuit of what proved an impossible dream and knowing who not to sell to has proved as important.

Everton have been close to being bought out once since Kenwright said he would sell. An American company was in talks, but the financial markets crashed and the deal subsequently collapsed with it.

More recently, takeovers have been less prevalent.

Aston Villa owner Randy Lerner wants to sell the club for £150m but has struggled to find a buyer
Randy Lerner cannot sell Aston Villa, West Brom chairman Jeremy Peace suspended talks with an interested party last month because the "potential purchaser is unable to fulfil the terms of that agreement at this time" and Palace, themselves, saw talks over potential investment break down.

Lerner has been looking for around £150m-£175m for Villa a similar price to what Everton might fetch. Roberto Martinez's squad is far superior to the one Tim Sherwood boasts, but Villa Park is better than Goodison Park.

However, if £150m was needed to buy Everton then that would have to be supplemented by money to cover the debt around £40m new signings and a new stadium.

Unless the new owner is a billionaire, he might find fifth is as good as it gets. That is the harsh reality.

"You want to meet some of the nutcases who want to buy a football club," continued Parish, speaking exclusively to the Daily Express.

"I have met everyone possible. For everyone one person who might actually be in a position to help, you have 20 complete nut cases. Nut jobs. Fantasists.

"They know someone who has the money and they are putting together consortiums.

"At best you are taking a desperate leap into the unknown. At worst, you lose your Premier League status and then drop down another division.



West Brom owner Jeremy Peace suspended talks with a buyer last month when trying to sell the club
"Everton have been challenging for the Champions League against clubs like Manchester United - who boast the biggest commercial income in the world Liverpool who have won so many European Cups and still have a huge overseas interest and income.

"Arsenal is a massive London club and it is different down here in London with regards to income and ticket sales.

"And then you have two other clubs who have been bankrolled to unbelievable expense.

"If Everton fans are wanting a Roman Abramovich, or a sovereign wealth fund like Abu Dhabi, then I am sure Bill will want that too. But these people don't come around very often.

"They are very, very rare and because it has been done here in England that makes them even rarer.

"Qatar bought Paris St Germain because they didn't want to go head to head. It is hard to compete against two are already doing it."

However, there is a chink of light according to investment banker Keith Harris, who has worked for Everton in the past and brokered Abramovich's purchase of Chelsea, Lerner's takeover of Aston Villa and more recently helped Shadid Khan buy Fulham.


He believes the television deals the Premier League has negotiated domestically and is attracting overseas will see investors circling English clubs again.

"I used to say people investing in football clubs are just inviting themselves to carry on writing cheques," said Harris. "That is not the case anymore.

"People can seriously see an investment has all the old fantastic characteristics of the fun, enjoyment and high emotion, but this time when they buy they shouldn't have to put any more money in and they can actually see the chance for a good return.

"I believe that is going to happen. People ask,'why has it taken so long?' Well, this is not like selling old dining room furniture on Ebay, but it is not far away from that.

"These are very bespoke assets and all have very different characteristics. Those people who have stuck in with their ownership for a long period can now see an exit, or a partial exit, and it is going into good hands and there will be deals done. Absolutely make no mistake.

"We are entering a new and tempting environment for investors. Bill has not been a personal stumbling block. He has been very public in saying, "I will embrace a takeover provided they are better than me."

"He is not animpediment to money coming into the club and he has many more supporters than detractors."
 
Not everything that Watched Toffee says is accurate.

I don't do Twitter so I have no idea if this guy is full of rubbish, but from reading what he's said, he sounds like he knows exactly what he's talking about. I'd be very, very happy if what he is saying isn't true because if it is, we're in a lot of trouble. You've been impressive on the call-ins mate, so do you care to refute what he's saying?
 

Not everything that Watched Toffee says is accurate.
Can you illuminate the inaccuracies? As I said, some of it looks conspiratorial at best, but I'm not versed enough in business (let alone British business, let alone British football business) to be able to see the clear falsehoods (beyond the VIBRAC naming scheme thing that just reeks of agenda).

If not, I understand non-disclosure better than most.

I do think it would be a valuable thing for an objectively minded Evertonian going over the business dealings of the club for the past 16 or so years and putting the failures of the board in a very parsable and digestible format.
 
I don't do Twitter so I have no idea if this guy is full of rubbish, but from reading what he's said, he sounds like he knows exactly what he's talking about. I'd be very, very happy if what he is saying isn't true because if it is, we're in a lot of trouble. You've been impressive on the call-ins mate, so do you care to refute what he's saying?

I barely use Twitter myself.

WT has been very good at drawing attention to information already in the public domain, from public records.

I would advise him to stick to that as he starts to get less accurate when he expresses opinions rather than facts.
 
I agree , Parrish has got a mouth that just begs for a fist in it.

I just don't believe Bill can't find a buyer who would benefit the club more than the poor but Saintly one . He has contributed nothing more than some sob stories , bought in a rich board who put nothing in the club and a smug Chief Executive .

I suppose we should be grateful he hasn't asset stripped the club. Oh...
 
Bill has all his cronies out in full force defending him.

How about these people try be an Evertonian and see how frustrating it is?

Had he been Chinese,Indian, etc, he would be getting massive criticism. He is Ol' Waterworks Bill though, he used to watch us in The Boy's Pen.
 
Bill has all his cronies out in full force defending him.

How about these people try be an Evertonian and see how frustrating it is?

Had he been Chinese,Indian, etc, he would be getting massive criticism. He is Ol' Waterworks Bill though, he used to watch us in The Boy's Pen.

This is why the argument has to be de-personalised mate.

The argument has to be pro-Everton not anti-Bill.

We need to discuss and present what is best for the Club (and therefore the shareholders) not constantly refer to the past.
 

This is why the argument has to be de-personalised mate.

The argument has to be pro-Everton not anti-Bill.

We need to discuss and present what is best for the Club (and therefore the shareholders) not constantly refer to the past.
This is so important it needs to be restated. A huge part of the problem with actually getting traction with the media and 'happy clappers' as they're so derogatorily called is the fact that a large portion of the disgruntled fanbase is overtly hostile about it.

I understand the hostility, it's incredibly frustrating to watch Everton lull about like a becalmed ship, but no one without those emotions will be able to easily understand the real problems facing the club if emotion gets in the way. The failings of the board needs to be clearly, concisely documented with a direct focus on where we are and where we should be, ideally with a clear line of how to reach the goal.

Everton are pulling in terrible commercial revenues compared to their peers. Why? How does that get fixed? What are the board doing (or not doing) to fix it? Why?

Everton continually fail to spend and invest in the club. Why? How does that get fixed?

Personal attacks...no, emotional statements will get us nowhere. It needs to be handled objectively and clearly to change the dialog. Once that occurs, movement can be made. Until then, we will continue to be told that Bill is a great Evertonian and great for our club.

Don't get angry with supporters for not paying close attention - the business side is not the reason people are football supporters. Educate them, show your work, don't just make sweeping claims. And don't get too frustrated when it takes time. Changing opinions takes time.
 
This is so important it needs to be restated. A huge part of the problem with actually getting traction with the media and 'happy clappers' as they're so derogatorily called is the fact that a large portion of the disgruntled fanbase is overtly hostile about it.

I understand the hostility, it's incredibly frustrating to watch Everton lull about like a becalmed ship, but no one without those emotions will be able to easily understand the real problems facing the club if emotion gets in the way. The failings of the board needs to be clearly, concisely documented with a direct focus on where we are and where we should be, ideally with a clear line of how to reach the goal.

Everton are pulling in terrible commercial revenues compared to their peers. Why? How does that get fixed? What are the board doing (or not doing) to fix it? Why?

Everton continually fail to spend and invest in the club. Why? How does that get fixed?

Personal attacks...no, emotional statements will get us nowhere. It needs to be handled objectively and clearly to change the dialog. Once that occurs, movement can be made. Until then, we will continue to be told that Bill is a great Evertonian and great for our club.

Don't get angry with supporters for not paying close attention - the business side is not the reason people are football supporters. Educate them, show your work, don't just make sweeping claims. And don't get too frustrated when it takes time. Changing opinions takes time.

Excellent post mate, I can't add anything to that.
 
This is why the argument has to be de-personalised mate.

The argument has to be pro-Everton not anti-Bill.

We need to discuss and present what is best for the Club (and therefore the shareholders) not constantly refer to the past.
I fully agree but the club doesn't answer any questions regarding finances ( including the mysterious operating costs ) or non staff dealings without throwing Bill in front of the cameras talking about his childhood love of the club etc or showing us his face on the big screen for the fans to clap for him.

Most of us can relate so it's not unique . The trouble is (as you say ) that both sides insult each other and use Bill as a club to hammer home their points e.g Happy Clapper or Kopite.

The B.U has the questions and some answers but no guile or real plan and that's a shame as they have some very clever guys involved . The fans who want the current board to stay should be respected for their loyalty and also make some fine points regarding risk.

I myself would like a new board with Bill involved and resources that place us with our red rivals.

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Forget what I said ,RaleighBlue said it better and quicker than I did.
 
This is so important it needs to be restated. A huge part of the problem with actually getting traction with the media and 'happy clappers' as they're so derogatorily called is the fact that a large portion of the disgruntled fanbase is overtly hostile about it.

I understand the hostility, it's incredibly frustrating to watch Everton lull about like a becalmed ship, but no one without those emotions will be able to easily understand the real problems facing the club if emotion gets in the way. The failings of the board needs to be clearly, concisely documented with a direct focus on where we are and where we should be, ideally with a clear line of how to reach the goal.

Everton are pulling in terrible commercial revenues compared to their peers. Why? How does that get fixed? What are the board doing (or not doing) to fix it? Why?

Everton continually fail to spend and invest in the club. Why? How does that get fixed?

Personal attacks...no, emotional statements will get us nowhere. It needs to be handled objectively and clearly to change the dialog. Once that occurs, movement can be made. Until then, we will continue to be told that Bill is a great Evertonian and great for our club.

Don't get angry with supporters for not paying close attention - the business side is not the reason people are football supporters. Educate them, show your work, don't just make sweeping claims. And don't get too frustrated when it takes time. Changing opinions takes time.
Quality right there...
 
I fully agree but the club doesn't answer any questions regarding finances ( including the mysterious operating costs ) or non staff dealings without throwing Bill in front of the cameras talking about his childhood love of the club etc or showing us his face on the big screen for the fans to clap for him.

Most of us can relate so it's not unique . The trouble is (as you say ) that both sides insult each other and use Bill as a club to hammer home their points e.g Happy Clapper or Kopite.

The B.U has the questions and some answers but no guile or real plan and that's a shame as they have some very clever guys involved . The fans who want the current board to stay should be respected for their loyalty and also make some fine points regarding risk.

I myself would like a new board with Bill involved and resources that place us with our red rivals.

The only approach that will succeed (without huge collateral damage) is to keep stating facts, offering the solutions, and challenging the media in particular on their current perceptions.

All of which has to be done professionally, calmly and constructively.
 

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