The Everton Board Thread (Inc. Bill Kenwright / Blue Union)

[davek]

I don't think there is corruption TBH. more someone making decisions based on other interests and other forced to toe the line. This along with the Sodexho and Chang deals means it's imopssible to sell the club at almost any price IMO. There is literally no incentive for a buyer in any way, shape or form.

Doug Ellis at Villa completely cleared the decks to encourage a sale. No long term deals, no big contracts, players sold to clear debt. We're doing the opposite. Looks like we may as well bed in for the long haul under Kim Jong Bill!!!

They've corrupted the club - no question. If you cant call the denial of the traditional right of members to call majority shareholders to task a 'corruption' then the word is meaningless. This club is run by a gang of four people who are accountable to nobody else at the club. They can literally do what they want in terms of shifting cash sideways and forwards with the help of auditors stretching every legal means to the limit to keep things under wraps.

 

[steken1]

Tbh its the slant and the agenda in analysis that bothers me to be honest mate. I realise they are at the extreme end of an out agenda, but the misleadingness of some of the stuff they post annoys me, as do many of the things they and the BU have done over the years, i firmly believe both (and i use that term loosely) at different stages have harmed and undermined the club. I would be made up if there was an appropriate takeover or significant investment tomorrow - but because i don't conform to the out at any cost - he is killing the club mentality - im pro Kenwright - when really im not arsed whos in control of the club - once its positive for Everton or at the very least safe and sustainable - which is what we have at the mo. I think thats were most fans are to be honest and i think that pov should be represented. Yet what you tend to get on forums is polar opposites of extreme views. When really the majority are in the centre of the debate.

What annoys me about the BU and Keioc - apart from all the stuff i have posted in the past - is that all of the above is nothing more then a charm offensive, party political broadcasts at a time when they think they can mushroom pick Evertonians annoyed about a lack of transfer activity, if they are so strong in their conviction - why not protest at Wembley etc.

Secondly i take issue with the slant that they take in posting articles, a lot of it at worse is lies and at best misleading and i don't think the points they make are the smoking guns they seem to. For example. Last week they posted Villas kit deal was worth 3.7mill and Evertons was 650k. They conveniently left out the 3mill a year from Kitbag, or what share if any Everton get on the mark up of sales. I took issue with that and low and behold this week they rebuttal, prob after not picking up on it originally and circled the wagons.

This week its about commercial revenue and looking at outsourcing deals - that is big time slanted. Without question commercial revenue is an area we could hugely improve on. But its one broad stroke. They look at solely on outsourcing deals which is misleading. For example. What price is a season ticket, or a ticket for a game at Villa, Liverpool, City, Spurs and Villa - that all comes under commercial revenue.

Its like me posting an article saying in rebuttal, that Keioc believe Everton supports arent as passionate as the other clubs they mention as they are not willing to stump up more for Kits, Merchandising, Season tickets etc. Or posting KEIOC call for increase in Kit and Season tickets sales. How many on here will wait until after Chrimbo to get their hands on a cheap bit of kit or training gear or one for the kids or took up the early bird on a season ticket - exactly - no one wants to die but everyone wants to go to heaven.

Anyhow i given them enough bullets. I enjoy your posts btw mate - you should get involved with one of those groups if thats what you believe, they are in bad need of a bit of reason and intelligence.

Again I'm mostly in agreement with you.

I wouldn't get involved with the BU as I don't see them as the right kind of group to get what we need. I just respect people trying to achieve something when there is no benefit to them personally.

Some of the groups who are involved were no more than a FB page that disgruntled blues gave a thumbs up to. They also paired with the worst fan website I've ever come across that was absolutely scathing towards anyopne with an alternative view, and that was just the mods.

For me KEIOC have got enough know how to make a difference. I think they thought the numbers other groups had made partnering a worthwhile thing, I wouldn't have. They showed through DK they have the expert knowledge and the savvy to raise awareness and from that a pressure group should have been borne. I don't really feel I could add anything to them.

I enjoy debating this stuff with you because I get an understanding of the other side of the coin. I think your the type of person they need to 'turn' because people aren't sheep, no matter how often they try to sell the apathy line.

For me the best way to counter spin and deceit isn't more spin, it's honesty. They are in for a battle though. It's a shame they can't get more like yourself involved.

 

[Neiler]

The moment you make good your claim you coulde list your own series of concerns re this board is the moment that becomes credible.

I seem to remember maybe 18 months ago when it became obvious that the club needed to ditch players over the side to stay afloat that you'd had it with BK and his fellow directors, only to inch back toward this 'middle' ground you now occupy.

Very puzzling.

For a few reasons really and ill be happy for others on here to call me paranoid or an ego maniac, firstly i have for a long time voiced my concerns about our out sourcing deals, low and behold an article appears on the KEIOC website. I called them on their article last week on their merchandising deal last week and they respond in kind. You yourself quoted me last week and linked my post to reference the disruptive influence on forums the BU mentioned in their article last week. I have no doubt both organisations are trolling forums, using others insights pro and negative and slanting them and using them - not just on here but on other forums - from what i have read they are cutting and pasteing and edititng things that are posted on this and other forums. Im not giving them amo tbh.

Thts your reading and perception - but then your very black and white, mate ill be happy in the morning if Bill and the board arent there and appropriate takeover/investment is in place. Do we need to sell to buy/pay back debt - absolutley. Do we need change yes. I just dont believe the monsters under the bed stuff you do.

 

[davek]

For a few reasons really and ill be happy for other on here to call me paranoid or an ego maniac, firstly i have for a long time voiced my concerns about our out sourcing deals, low and behold an article appears on the KEIOC website. I called them on their article last week on their merchandising deal last week and they respond in kind. You yourself quoted me last week and linked my post to reference the disruptive influence on forums the BU mentioned in their article last week. I have no doubt both organisations are trolling forums, using others insights pro and negative and slanting them and using them - not just on here but on other forums - from what i have read they are cutting and pasteing and edititng things that are posted on this and other forums. Im not giving them amo tbh.

Thts your reading and perception - but then your very black and white, mate ill be happy in the morning if Bill and the board arent there and appropriate takeover/investment is in place. Do we need to sell to buy pay and back debt - absolutley. Do we need change yes. I just dont believe the monsters under the bed stuff you do.

That's called seeking out feedback. Nothing sinister in all that.

By the way, I doubt they're hanging on your every particular word mate!

 

[bourneblue]

As soon as the bu announced they're going to up the ante on their protests,then almost every everton forum was subjected to the same old posters starting and bumping anti board threads to the top of the page.
Most disturbing of all posting transfer rumours about our players before there's any mention of these rumours in the media.
Then posting links up to the media reporting on those rumours.
Chicken before the egg scenario.

 

[Chang Elephant]

As soon as the bu announced they're going to up the ante on their protests,then almost every everton forum was subjected to the same old posters starting and bumping anti board threads to the top of the page.
Most disturbing of all posting transfer rumours about our players before there's any mention of these rumours in the media.
Then posting links up to the media reporting on those rumours.
Chicken before the egg scenario.

Like you, I was thinking about taking up a willing suspension of disbelief, and pretending the club is well run financially....and not as a share purchase awaiting the big mark up sale.

But once again Neiler has posted probably the best business critique you'll ever see (since his last), and this has had the unintended effect of being repeated and plaigarised by desperate people across the net who want to make this board look inefficient. Which is a shame as he's merely seeking to be even handed.

 

[Walken]

So even though hes against their movement Neiler is in fact the BU, without even intending to be, interesting turn of events

 

[Moomin]

So even though hes against their movement Neiler is in fact the BU, without even intending to be, interesting turn of events

Like a character from a M Night Shyamalan film.

I feel for the BU, their damned if do and damned if they don't. Someone showed me the Facebook page, and it was bad. Insults from both sides, my opinion is the Blue Union have to be the bigger person and accept them. They have to win the hearts of the average supporter, even though the current board are a total failure.

KEIOC done a fantastic job with the campaign against DK, they took abuse from everyone but stuck with it. In the end, they were proved right.

I've never forgave Bill for kings dock, he should be removed just for that. A few years back when him and Gregg had their showdown, I wanted Gregg to take control of the club. The majority of me mates called me a tit and gave me " Bill is a blue, just like us! Gregg is just in it for the money " which I already knew, Gregg is a ****! But at least he would stab you in the front, Bill would do it in the back ( my opinion )

To many people have been sold on Bill's stories of the boys pen, uncles handlebars etc etc but you have to remember, the man is a trained actor.

You will always get people bringing up the Venkys, or potential buyers who want to make a quick buck in defence of Bill " the best blue in the universe " Kenwright. But, they can't see we have a director ( Robert Earl ) who is here to make a quick buck. Brought in by Bill, he might be a puppet for Pip Green, who knows??

After seeing people clap him at the villa game, quite a bit of Passion for the blues went. I've jibbed off my season ticket, taking a step back from Everton for the time being. Looking forward to being on the golf course on a sat afternoon.

 

[kenada_blue]

Like a character from a M Night Shyamalan film.

I feel for the BU, their damned if do and damned if they don't. Someone showed me the Facebook page, and it was bad. Insults from both sides, my opinion is the Blue Union have to be the bigger person and accept them. They have to win the hearts of the average supporter, even though the current board are a total failure.

KEIOC done a fantastic job with the campaign against DK, they took abuse from everyone but stuck with it. In the end, they were proved right.

I've never forgave Bill for kings dock, he should be removed just for that. A few years back when him and Gregg had their showdown, I wanted Gregg to take control of the club. The majority of me mates called me a tit and gave me " Bill is a blue, just like us! Gregg is just in it for the money " which I already knew, Gregg is a ****! But at least he would stab you in the front, Bill would do it in the back ( my opinion )

To many people have been sold on Bill's stories of the boys pen, uncles handlebars etc etc but you have to remember, the man is a trained actor.

You will always get people bringing up the Venkys, or potential buyers who want to make a quick buck in defence of Bill " the best blue in the universe " Kenwright. But, they can't see we have a director ( Robert Earl ) who is here to make a quick buck. Brought in by Bill, he might be a puppet for Pip Green, who knows??

After seeing people clap him at the villa game, quite a bit of Passion for the blues went. I've jibbed off my season ticket, taking a step back from Everton for the time being. Looking forward to being on the golf course on a sat afternoon.

The earl/kenwrong partnership is scarily secretive. What does Earl actually do or bring to the club as the 2nd highest shareholder?

 

[Moomin]

The earl/kenwrong partnership is scarily secretive. What does Earl actually do or bring to the club as the 2nd highest shareholder?

Sly stallone, that's it.

Bill even lies about Sly, he phones every week to catch up on the blues.

 

[davek]

The earl/kenwrong partnership is scarily secretive. What does Earl actually do or bring to the club as the 2nd highest shareholder?

Fcuk all.

 

[Cena]

I would like to see more questions about Earl definitely

 

[chicoazul]

Everything that could have been said has been and I'm very much under informed than most on here, however...

We're stagnant. We didn't so much as hit a glass ceiling as rammed an elevator into a titanium roof. I grew up watching a great Everton team setting the standard and would like to see it again. It's not unrealistic either. We're still a very big club with good support, decent enough structure and a good set of players, even if in my head were the best team in the world.

I also believe were not far away from the tipping point. We have invested sensibly in good players and had a manager who has got us playing consistently for the last ten years, repairing some of our reputation after too long as being a laughing stock. There will come a point when the asset stripping overpowers the ability to produce or buy decent players to keep the momentum coming. Once that happens were very much likely in for an almighty fall.

We've also been conditioned to be happy with top eight finishes. With the status quo at present that's about right but the way the club is ran it could be so much better. There's been a whole host of documented failures and mismanagement from those who run the club. I don't doubt they have the club's best interest at heart but they should be accountable to a board of directors and shareholders, of which they've prevented any dialogue.

I'm sick of having a fractured fanbase as it's doing no one any good. Wouldn't it be better if the BU done their thing, as fellow blues, and were allowed to get on with it? I can see why some are having a go back as they've been a bit antagonistic towards non BU supporters in the past but they seem to be trying hard at this. At the heart of it is a gang of lads (and I've met some of them) who go to the games and want the best for Everton where we have a board who are happy having us as an asset to eventually sell rather than an investment to grow. We should be careful not disengage fans who are not BU supporters but do want a change of Everton ownership. They're plenty of them about. Perhaps in time they'll gravitate towards the BU but it's up to them.

And those who are happy with how things are then leave them to it. You shouldn't have to be categorised, you're in the most important category and that's being a blue you lucky [Poor language removed].

There's lots of stuff open for debate about how the club are operating. I don't see anything wrong with issues being raised and their actions evaluated. If you want us to win things and improve we need a change of ownership and if that isn't forthcoming then the current lot to be accountable for doing the right thing by the club until it's time to move on.

We've got a common enemy across the park, we don't need to turn on each other.

Now lets hold hands everyone and praise Budha ffs.

 

[Brennan]

Wouldn't it be better if the BU done their thing, as fellow blues, and were allowed to get on with it? I can see why some are having a go back as they've been a bit antagonistic towards non BU supporters in the past but they seem to be trying hard at this.

The majority of the abuse i've seen is going in one direction, from BU supporters to anybody else who even dares to question their statements.

It's no wonder a lot of people don't support them with the insults i've seen used against OTHER EVERTONIANS.

'Idiot'
'In denial'
'Call yourself a blue'

etc.

That's the key for me mate, people should be allowed to do what they want as long as it doesn't hurt anyone, that's why we smashed Hitler all them years ago.

 

[Chang Elephant]

There will come a point when the asset stripping overpowers the ability to produce or buy decent players to keep the momentum coming. Once that happens were very much likely in for an almighty fall.

There's lots of stuff open for debate about how the club are operating. I don't see anything wrong with issues being raised and their actions evaluated. If you want us to win things and improve we need a change of ownership and if that isn't forthcoming then the current lot to be accountable.

You do know the BU scour this forum for insight. They will be using that now ffs.