The Everton Board Thread (Inc. Bill Kenwright / Blue Union)

[Dell Boy]

I know shocking.

But you either judge Kenwright by off pitch stuff, in which case we're less profitable and have more debt then we've ever been in our history or by on field stuff in which case he's presided over the second longest trophy drought in our hsitory.

Either way it's not great for old bill.

You're making up your own statements to suit your own arguments. As a club Everton generate very low levels of income off the pitch. There are no magic outside investors queuing at the gates. Despite this we've managed to get a competitive team doing well this season. We're within a single game of West Brom and Spurs and the three above that are United the richest club in the world, City and their arab billions and Abramovich's Chelsea.

All Everton fans want the team to do better but sometimes, just sometimes, before knocking you might like to suggest an alternative? And back it up with some facts?

And all this bitterness to Kenwright just amazes me.

What has he taken out of the club in the last 11 years?

Which investors has he turned away?

Of course some mistakes have been made along the way. That's natural and will always happen in any business.

 

[sheeds]

I'm not and can't go into detail but i personally know 100% there was at least one interested party last year, that group hadn't "been able to get through the door" 6 months before However the managed ro re-establish contact about the time of the BU meetings... The second talks progressed but collapsed but they were certainly very interested

 

[edge]

I'm not and can't go into detail but i personally know 100% there was at least one interested party last year, that group hadn't "been able to get through the door" 6 months before However the managed ro re-establish contact about the time of the BU meetings... The second talks progressed but collapsed but they were certainly very interested

sheeds, go through the lg, from top to bottom division, nearly every club has been taken over at least once in the time blue bill has been in charge of everton, two city clubs , teams needing new grounds ect , and nobody has been interested in us? if not why

 

[thebluefox]

You're making up your own statements to suit your own arguments. As a club Everton generate very low levels of income off the pitch. There are no magic outside investors queuing at the gates. Despite this we've managed to get a competitive team doing well this season. We're within a single game of West Brom and Spurs and the three above that are United the richest club in the world, City and their arab billions and Abramovich's Chelsea.

All Everton fans want the team to do better but sometimes, just sometimes, before knocking you might like to suggest an alternative? And back it up with some facts?

And all this bitterness to Kenwright just amazes me.

What has he taken out of the club in the last 11 years?

Which investors has he turned away?

Of course some mistakes have been made along the way. That's natural and will always happen in any business.

ALL THIS BITTERNESS TOWARDS KENWRIGHT JUST AMAZES ME , he would of been shot at any other club in the country ,un fuken real

 

[toffeejack]

ALL THIS BITTERNESS TOWARDS KENWRIGHT JUST AMAZES ME , he would of been shot at any other club in the country ,un fuken real

at least we know one person that was doing the clapping

 

[Dell Boy]

ALL THIS BITTERNESS TOWARDS KENWRIGHT JUST AMAZES ME , he would of been shot at any other club in the country ,un fuken real

Those are just words. I want the best for my team same as you. Give some facts and offer some alternatives rather than just ranting.

 

[Dell Boy]

sheeds, go through the lg, from top to bottom division, nearly every club has been taken over at least once in the time blue bill has been in charge of everton, two city clubs , teams needing new grounds ect , and nobody has been interested in us? if not why

Have said this before, apart from City and London clubs I'm not sure there are any good examples of recent takeovers that have taken the club forward.

 

[Allezfan]

Have said this before, apart from City and London clubs I'm not sure there are any good examples of recent takeovers that have taken the club forward.

Sunderland, Newcastle and Villa.

 

[Dell Boy]

Sunderland, Newcastle and Villa.

My arse. Those clubs have not really gone forward with their takeovers. Certainly not in any way that's worth the potential risk.

 

[sheeds]

Have said this before, apart from City and London clubs I'm not sure there are any good examples of recent takeovers that have taken the club forward.

So your dismissing takeovers by saying " change is bad " and by the way in my view the Sunderland takeover has been excellent for the club but like many others has struggled with the quality of manager appointed . I'm also not someone who advocates change for changes sake , it's hard to believe there is nobody out in over a decade there interested that could benefit the club

If it is your opinion that a takeover is 'too risky' then we what just stay as we are ? Because in my opinion that's the mentality that keeps people trapped in loveless , failing , disfunctional relationships as well as keeping useless governments & even dictators in power . Like I say it's only my opinion but this can't go on forever we've got nothing left to sell but players and sooner or later the club are very likely to tire of treading water and then we really could be in trouble .

 

[thebluefox]

Those are just words. I want the best for my team same as you. Give some facts and offer some alternatives rather than just ranting.

i would not wont you any were near me lad

 

[edge]

Have said this before, apart from City and London clubs I'm not sure there are any good examples of recent takeovers that have taken the club forward.

mk Dons, Morecambe FC there loads that have moved the club on, even the north east clubs from were they are have at least got miles better grounds and are seen in wider foodball circles as being more attractive than they were, we on the other hand, have sunk from a major player to plucky little everton playing keep up with the also rans , while nothing of any note has been done to make goodison a better place to watch football, stagnation isnt something to be proud of on or off the pitch.

 

[empeached]

Never posted before but might as well share this now. A while ago I met a guy who worked for a big PR agency, and a mate of his (bear with me) was apparently one of those people working to try and find us a buyer. He said they spent a lot of time and money chasing the Steinbrenner's (owners of the New York Yankees), trying to make the case that after Fenway had bought Liverpool Everton would be the perfect club for them to invest in.

Anyway, long story short he told me they were definitely interested, but the thing that eventually killed it was the English media. Apparently the Steinbrenners saw how Statler and Waldorf were crucified when it all went tits up at the ****e and just wanted no part of it - they thought the press would be constantly digging around and ****ging them off and decided it wasn't worth the hassle.

The guy who told me all this had no real reason to lie, and it's a pretty decent effort at a wind up if he made it all up off the cuff, but there's no way of knowing how much truth is in it (not a lot would be my guess, but still).

 

[Ratkiller]

You're making up your own statements to suit your own arguments. As a club Everton generate very low levels of income off the pitch. There are no magic outside investors queuing at the gates. Despite this we've managed to get a competitive team doing well this season. We're within a single game of West Brom and Spurs and the three above that are United the richest club in the world, City and their arab billions and Abramovich's Chelsea.

All Everton fans want the team to do better but sometimes, just sometimes, before knocking you might like to suggest an alternative? And back it up with some facts?

And all this bitterness to Kenwright just amazes me.

What has he taken out of the club in the last 11 years?

Which investors has he turned away?

Of course some mistakes have been made along the way. That's natural and will always happen in any business.

As a club Everton generate very low levels of income off the pitch

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Who's fault is that? Could it possibly have something to do with the person who has not invested in the business?
The one who signed the deal with kitbag? Who sold the training ground and now rents a new one? Who's morgtaged the season tickets for years to come? Who borrows money at exorbitant rates through offshore companies registered in the same building as his fellow shareholder?

There are no magic outside investors queuing at the gates.

Why not? As you say we're within touching distance of 3 of the richest clubs in the world. Surely with a little push we could join the big boys again?
Or would it be impossible given the idiot who signed up to all of the above deals?

And all this bitterness to Kenwright just amazes me.

What has he taken out of the club in the last 11 years?

We dont know what he's taken out do we? He wont tell anyone. He answers to no one. Personally i'd like an answer to the "other operating costs". We won't get one though.

Which investors has he turned away?

Again we don't know. We do know he allowed Tesco to give us £52 million towards a new stadium though.

Of course some mistakes have been made along the way. That's natural and will always happen in any business.

Bill Kenwrights mistakes have the potential to be deadly to this football club though. And he's made far too many.
In my opinion he shouldn't be given the opportunity to make any more.

 

[Allezfan]

My arse. Those clubs have not really gone forward with their takeovers. Certainly not in any way that's worth the potential risk.

They've all made more money available to the manager.

Essentially someone who run's a football club needs to do four things 1) balance the books so they don't go out of business (kenwright has done this so far, our massive debts and losses has yet to seriously endangar us as a club), 2) make sure the fans can still get to games (yep, Kenwright has done this to, we have reasonably priced tickets and get good crowds), 3) appoint a good manager (yes, we have a good manager if not an elite one), and 4) raise the money to spend that our comeptitiors are spending so that we can win things on the pitch (no, we spend less then on transfers, on wages, on agents then most of the league do and as a result have neither played in the CL proper nor won a trophy during Kenwrights time in charge.)

There are 15 english clubs who have made more money available to their managers during the last ten year then kenwright has made for Moyes. Sunderland, Newcastle and Villa are all among them. If Moyes had that money we'd be doing better than if he didn't therefore all those takeovers would be an improvement over Kenwright and so should be viewed as a success in this context.

If Kenwright had taken over any other club in the PL he would be exactly the person you'd be pointing out and saying look not all takeovers are good.