The Everton Board Thread (Inc. Bill Kenwright / Blue Union)

[Dell Boy]

The Club in a better place then before Kenwrong?

LOL

Yes I do. Clearly. Kenwright bought the club in Dec 99. The season before that under Johnson was 98/99:

98/99 - 14th, 43 points
97/98 - position 17th, points 40
96/97 - 15th, 42 points

So an average of 42 points and a poor ageing squad.

In that 11 years the league has got a lot harder and more and more "average" teams are spending their arse off to compete.

We're now a fairly established top 6 team, playing good footy just at the time the TV and place money is about to go into orbit.

In the context of a £75m a year TV deal - losing a million here or there on Finch Farm or Change is bloody irrelevant.

 

[By god I'm blue]

Yes I do. Clearly. Kenwright bought the club in Dec 99. The season before that under Johnson was 98/99:

98/99 - 14th, 43 points
97/98 - position 17th, points 40
96/97 - 15th, 42 points

So an average of 42 points and a poor ageing squad.

In that 11 years the league has got a lot harder and more and more "average" teams are spending their arse off to compete.

We're now a fairly established top 6 team, playing good footy just at the time the TV and place money is about to go into orbit.

In the context of a £75m a year TV deal - losing a million here or there on Finch Farm or Change is bloody irrelevant.

Perhaps we should get rid of Moyes and just let your hero run the side. Your post here clearly suggests that this is all down to him.

Doesn't matter about the debt, selling off every asset the club once owned etc...that's not important.

Kenwright has got the club in better shape! Best line ever...well done,. have a biscuit x

 

[Goat]

Yes I do. Clearly. Kenwright bought the club in Dec 99. The season before that under Johnson was 98/99:

98/99 - 14th, 43 points
97/98 - position 17th, points 40
96/97 - 15th, 42 points

So an average of 42 points and a poor ageing squad.

In that 11 years the league has got a lot harder and more and more "average" teams are spending their arse off to compete.

We're now a fairly established top 6 team, playing good footy just at the time the TV and place money is about to go into orbit.

In the context of a £75m a year TV deal - losing a million here or there on Finch Farm or Change is bloody irrelevant.

Im fairly sure the League Postions are down to Moyes.

If your implying that the 5.6m Transfer budget he has been given over the last 11 Years is a factor, your smoking mucho cracko.

The Clubs debts have increased 5 fold under Kenwrong and we own NOTHING in terms of assets, hell we dont even get our Season Ticket money each Season.

 

[By god I'm blue]

This has to be trollsville?

 

[Dell Boy]

If you replace a 0.5/10 with a 2/10 you will end up in a better place but it doesn't mean you should be happy with the 2/10.

If you have a 7 or 8/10 you could make a case for "bird in the hand" logic and not wanting to fix something which isn't broken looking for the super rare 10/10 owner (and ending up with a worse one). However when you have a 2/10 (who has been propped up by a manager working wonders with transfers) most people are willing to roll the dice and see what comes up next. Not that our opinion either way matters at all of course.

I don't think we're a 2/10 though. I wouldnt want to roll the dice and end up with some corrupt foreign owner no.

 

[Bluesnapper]

Yes I do. Clearly. Kenwright bought the club in Dec 99. The season before that under Johnson was 98/99:

98/99 - 14th, 43 points
97/98 - position 17th, points 40
96/97 - 15th, 42 points

So an average of 42 points and a poor ageing squad.

In that 11 years the league has got a lot harder and more and more "average" teams are spending their arse off to compete.

We're now a fairly established top 6 team, playing good footy just at the time the TV and place money is about to go into orbit.

In the context of a £75m a year TV deal - losing a million here or there on Finch Farm or Change is bloody irrelevant.

I cant see how you can work that one out as we havent achieved that for four seasons. Perception is a strange thing.

 

[Dell Boy]

No it wouldn't as you'd be hamstrung by confidentiality agreements and you'd have to wage that particular PR war against Green and Earl too. Only a fool would go for that route. Possibly a genuine lifelong Bluenose might but obviously there aren't any Evertonian billionaires.

Sorry but confidentiality agreements are not worth ****. In today's world of global sports journalism and intenet sites it would be a doddle to get out the key info.

Also you seem to be contradicting yourself.

IF Green and Earl are involved as serious businessmen then they want a profit. Why would they have turned down the runoured countless of serious parties if they were indeed ever serious? You can't have it both ways.

 

[Bluesnapper]

Sorry but confidentiality agreements are not worth ****. In today's world of global sports journalism and intenet sites it would be a doddle to get out the key info.

Also you seem to be contradicting yourself.

IF Green and Earl are involved as serious businessmen then they want a profit. Why would they have turned down the runoured countless of serious parties if they were indeed ever serious? You can't have it both ways.

The ONLY scenario that fits all angles is that the club is not for sale.

Meanwhile the assets have disappeared, the debt is rising and Kenwright is still here.

 

[Dell Boy]

Perhaps we should get rid of Moyes and just let your hero run the side. Your post here clearly suggests that this is all down to him.

Doesn't matter about the debt, selling off every asset the club once owned etc...that's not important.

Kenwright has got the club in better shape! Best line ever...well done,. have a biscuit x

You're putting words into my mouth.

I've said that the club today is in a better place than before Kenwright took over. I havent said it's all down to him.

Doing a sale and leaseback on Finch Farm is immaterial compared to the performance on the pitch.

I've never said Kenwright is a hero of mine. But I won't join a ranting mob that don't have any clue as to whether there's anyone serious in the wings to take over. The footy world is full of half decent clubs that have fallen on their arses just after a dodgy takeover. Keep your biscuit!

 

[Dell Boy]

Im fairly sure the League Postions are down to Moyes.

If your implying that the 5.6m Transfer budget he has been given over the last 11 Years is a factor, your smoking mucho cracko.

The Clubs debts have increased 5 fold under Kenwrong and we own NOTHING in terms of assets, hell we dont even get our Season Ticket money each Season.

League position is down to lots of factors but yes Moyes is key. I've said before though there's many a chairman that would have sacked him before now though.

Transfer budget is crap because the commercial side of the club has very limited potential. You cant give what you dont have. I'd love an owner to come in with serious cash. In part yes the board have cocked up some commercial ideas. But fundamentally the club was in the ****e when Kenwirhgt took over, Goodison was always fallign down and we're the second team in a poor city.

I don't know about the debts and how its calculated. The players today are worth a hell of a lot more than they were 11 years ago. Our TV income is much stronger as is our confidence in being there season after season.

The assets you talk about are irrelevant in the wider scheme,

We sell season ticket income streams to fund the squad. How would you do it different?

 

[Dell Boy]

I cant see how you can work that one out as we havent achieved that for four seasons. Perception is a strange thing.

Sorry top 6/top 7 then. That better?

 

[By god I'm blue]

You're putting words into my mouth.

I've said that the club today is in a better place than before Kenwright took over. I havent said it's all down to him.

Doing a sale and leaseback on Finch Farm is immaterial compared to the performance on the pitch.

I've never said Kenwright is a hero of mine. But I won't join a ranting mob that don't have any clue as to whether there's anyone serious in the wings to take over. The footy world is full of half decent clubs that have fallen on their arses just after a dodgy takeover. Keep your biscuit!

And that right here is where it falls completely on it's arse.

Unless you consider higher debt and asset stripping to be in a better place of course.

 

[Dell Boy]

The ONLY scenario that fits all angles is that the club is not for sale.

Meanwhile the assets have disappeared, the debt is rising and Kenwright is still here.

That's just not logical though. Why would Green et al not want to cash in their loans? You can't say on the one hand that Kenwright is an idiot without a penny in his pocket but at the next minute say he's got the final say on millions of loans from Green etc?

 

[Dell Boy]

And that right here is where it falls completely on it's arse.

Unless you consider higher debt and asset stripping to be in a better place of course.

"debt" doesnt take account ofplayer valuations or TV money does it? Where else will the cash come from if not the balance sheet? Or do you have magic beans to lend to the club?

What asset stripping is comparable to the TV cash? Finch Farm is an option deal. It can be bought at any time. The Prudential loan on Goodison is being paid off. In the grand scheme of the TV deals that loan is very serviceable.

 

[Allezfan]

The club is:

Off the field: Biggest debt in the club's history. Making a loss every year. Doesn't own it's own training ground. In a stadium the board itself says is outdated.

On the field: Being out spent by 16 other english clubs. Enduring the joint longest trophy droubt in our proud history. Selling a player every year.