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"The fans wanted him sacked"

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Foot Long Hot Dog said:
@davek - the comparison with Walker is completely relevant, as he finished the '94 season with the most remarkable game in our modern history i.e. Wimbledon and it was seen as a watershed moment as we'd survived against the odds. We'd lost 6 or 7 on the bounce before be arrived under Gabriel.

He started the next season like a drain and we'd only won 1 game when he was shot, but the parallels with Martinez are definitely there.

A provincial club manager who like to play football, guided Norwich to their finest hour in the UEFA cup beating Bayern Munich, and came to Goodison to transform the club.......
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Are you seriously comparing Walker's first season with Martinez's?

Seriously?

I tell you what, you come back when you can find an example of any manager at any club who ran up that club's biggest ever Premier League number of points and was sacked the next season for dropping into the bottom half of the table.

In your own time.
 
Walker was cut some slack after the Wimbledon 3-2 saver because Evertonians gave him the benefit of the doubt considering the earlier run of bad results under Jimmy Gabriel's tenure as caretaker so it wasn't that his managerial nous kept us up per se as we all know. We saw the next season that it wasn't a one off and he actually really was garbage. Had he took us into Europe in his first season then fair enough to compare with Martinez. But he didn't.
 
Roberto Martinez may turn out to be another Howard Kendall or another Mike Walker . There are arguments that could be made to defend either position.

In my opinon their is no definitive answer either way as yet. RM took Wigan into the Championsip , but won the FA Cup. I think the collapse of Wigan in the Championship after Martinez left probably indicates that he did a good job to keep them competitive in the premiership. Wigan did lose some players on being relegated, mostly to Everton but James McCarthy apart those players are not highly rated by some Evertonians anyway.
RM had a wonderful first season and a very poor second season where he has undoubtedly made mistakes.But , which manager is he really the first season or the second season?

I like the way he is moulding the club , I like what is being done at academy level. I think we all like that he wants Everton playing a brand of football a lot closer to Barcelona than Wimbledon.

But, all of that is no good if we don't win matches and the remainder of the season will give us some indication the real ability of the manager.

I have said this before and repeat it again that I believe he will preove to be a good manager and needs to be given time.

I heard Roy Keane argue for more time for Van Gaal at Utd. I would also say if they had given Moyes time and a big budget they would be in the top four now as well. Everton don't have a big budget. Our change happens much more slowly and therefore we have to allow more time to properly judge our managers.
 

That was an era where you could sign one or two clever players and drastically change your chances.

We now live in an era where you can't really do that, and even if you could, we're probably signing Tom Cleverley.

Would love to dream of us breaking the top four next year, and with the squad we're honestly not far off being able to do so, but not under this manager the way he wants to play right now, and not with signings like that useless turd of a midfielder.
 
Right so because Kendall turned out to be a great manager 30 years ago, Martinez will too.

Some fans are going to learn the hard way. Kendall hadn't relegated a stable Division one team 2 seasons earlier.
 
davek said:
Are you seriously comparing Walker's first season with Martinez's?

Seriously?

I tell you what, you come back when you can find an example of any manager at any club who ran up that club's biggest ever Premier League number of points and was sacked the next season for dropping into the bottom half of the table.

In your own time.
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@davek - I tell you what, you come back when you can find an example of any manager at any club who ran up that club's biggest ever Premier League number of points and was sacked the next season for dropping into the bottom half of the table.

In your own time.

I can do better than that mate, I can give you 2 managers who got the can after having provided record PL points tallys, winning their sides the league title and got canned a year later and where nowhere near the botton half of the league.

Mancini & Mourinho.....

How about Redknapp guiding Spurs to their best ever PL finish and points total in 2010, brought 5th home the following season - plus a CL QF, managed 4th again the following season - and got canned in the summer.........

That's without even having a bleeding look. People live in the present, especially in football, as it's a results business.
 

I don't know, I do know he was sacked the season after he kept them in the PL (their 1st Appearance in the PL) which means that must have been there record Points total as a club in the PL, that's what you said that what I answered. And I would argue that relegating Hull is harder to do then get this squad of ours averaging a point a game which you are so happy with.
 
Foot Long Hot Dog said:
@davek - I tell you what, you come back when you can find an example of any manager at any club who ran up that club's biggest ever Premier League number of points and was sacked the next season for dropping into the bottom half of the table.

In your own time.

I can do better than that mate, I can give you 2 managers who got the can after having provided record PL points tallys, winning their sides the league title and got canned a year later and where nowhere near the botton half of the league.

Mancini & Mourinho.....

How about Redknapp guiding Spurs to their best ever PL finish and points total in 2010, brought 5th home the following season - plus a CL QF, managed 4th again the following season - and got canned in the summer.........

That's without even having a bleeding look. People live in the present, especially in football, as it's a results business.
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Behave yourself. Teams where if you dont win the league of CL you're out? And Redknapp was canned for putting the hurt on the Spurs board for more cash given the apparent England interest, not for poor performance.

Yeah. Well done. Very pertinent examples.
 
davek said:
Are you seriously comparing Walker's first season with Martinez's?

Seriously?

I tell you what, you come back when you can find an example of any manager at any club who ran up that club's biggest ever Premier League number of points and was sacked the next season for dropping into the bottom half of the table.

In your own time.
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Manchester City sacked Peter Reid the season after they attained their greatest ever Premier League points total. Sunderland also sacked Peter Reid not long after attaining their greatest ever Premier League points total. Ipswich should have sacked George Burley the season after their greatest ever Premier League points total, but they failed to do so and they were promptly relegated. They haven't been in the top division since.

You are clearly getting a hard-on over this best Premier League points total thing, as if it is an unequivocal indicator of future success. When the truth is that Martinez took over a team that was regularly finishing between 5th to 8th place under the stewardship of a far superior manager who achieved Everton's greatest ever season in the Premier League, and managed to make them finish... wait for it... in 5th place.

Martinez has since then caused Everton to regress about 15 years, and is currently overseeing our worst points total after 28 games in about 80 years, and the quality of football is the worst I have seen in over 30 years. In summary, he's the biggest clown that I have ever seen in charge at Everton.
 
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Foot Long Hot Dog said:
@davek - the comparison with Walker is completely relevant, as he finished the '94 season with the most remarkable game in our modern history i.e. Wimbledon and it was seen as a watershed moment as we'd survived against the odds. We'd lost 6 or 7 on the bounce before be arrived under Gabriel.

He started the next season like a drain and we'd only won 1 game when he was shot, but the parallels with Martinez are definitely there.

A provincial club manager who like to play football, guided Norwich to their finest hour in the UEFA cup beating Bayern Munich, and came to Goodison to transform the club.......
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I'd say a big difference between Walker and Martinez is that, at no time, did Walker look in control and at no time did we have a decent side. That seems like quite a big difference, given what happened last season.
 

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