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The next manager appointment (new thread)

The next manager appointment

  • David Moyes

    Votes: 144 17.1%
  • Carlos Corberan

    Votes: 74 8.8%
  • Wayne Rooney

    Votes: 17 2.0%
  • Thomas Frank

    Votes: 102 12.1%
  • Graham Potter

    Votes: 121 14.4%
  • Marcelo Bielsa

    Votes: 18 2.1%
  • Abel Ferreira

    Votes: 7 0.8%
  • Imanol Alguacil

    Votes: 1 0.1%
  • Henrik Rydstrom

    Votes: 1 0.1%
  • Kjetil Knutsen

    Votes: 8 1.0%
  • Davide Ancelotti

    Votes: 69 8.2%
  • Sarina Wiegman

    Votes: 23 2.7%
  • Gareth Southgate

    Votes: 13 1.5%
  • Sergio Conceicao

    Votes: 56 6.7%
  • Roger Schmidt

    Votes: 2 0.2%
  • Edin Terzic

    Votes: 30 3.6%
  • Kasper Hjulmand

    Votes: 2 0.2%
  • Christian Streich

    Votes: 3 0.4%
  • A caretaker like Big Sam, Warnock etc

    Votes: 11 1.3%
  • Mister X not mentioned

    Votes: 140 16.6%

  • Total voters
    842
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Carsley as the next manager would give us a rare thing, someone who does understand the club from fan to the history, also one who didn't take the easy route and ride the EFC ex player gravy train coaching role.

Highly rated by some very good judges of talent, already took his coaching badges whilst still playing for us, so showed it was his long term ambition not something he fell into when finished as a player, fact his eldest son is already acting as a DoF at a lower league side shows that mentality runs through the family too.

Relatively young at 50, progressive, seems very good at working with younger players, if he did well I seriously doubt he'd jump ship at the first CL team coming in for him too.

Gives us the chance of running out at BMD with a manager who could be in place long term and completely revolutionise the mentality around the place.

Is it a risk, ofc, is any manager a risk, yup.
For me Carsley has positioned himself (unfairly) as a bit of a joke character now though hasn't he in the press.

Seemingly can't handle the press.
Crazy formations.

They cost him the job as much as that Greece performance and once they pick on someone, it's very rare they hold off. Especially if he joined us.
It would be the press wet dream.

Joke club. Joke manager.

Not for me unfortunately
 
Carsley needs to be out of the limelight for a bit but hopefully it's not over for him.

Southgate was a very ordinary Middlesbrough manager but that got forgotten and somebody even made a theatre production about him.
 
Carsley as the next manager would give us a rare thing, someone who does understand the club from fan to the history, also one who didn't take the easy route and ride the EFC ex player gravy train coaching role.

Highly rated by some very good judges of talent, already took his coaching badges whilst still playing for us, so showed it was his long term ambition not something he fell into when finished as a player, fact his eldest son is already acting as a DoF at a lower league side shows that mentality runs through the family too.

Relatively young at 50, progressive, seems very good at working with younger players, if he did well I seriously doubt he'd jump ship at the first CL team coming in for him too.

Gives us the chance of running out at BMD with a manager who could be in place long term and completely revolutionise the mentality around the place.

Is it a risk, ofc, is any manager a risk, yup.
Have to say I was initially attracted to the idea of Carsley as Everton manager .

However he has no experience as a club manager and therefore would be helluva gamble.

Sadly he's also shown himself as uncomfortable dealing with the media so unfortunately it's a no from me.
 
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Have to say I was initially attracted to the idea of Carsley as Everton manager .

However he has no experience as a club manager and therefore would be helluva gamble.

Sadly he's also shown himself as uncomfortable dealing with the media so unfortunately it's a no from me.
Same here. I was up for giving Carlsey a go too but i definitely changed my mind after his stint as England caretaker. Didn't inspire any confidence at all, actually the total opposite. Good luck but no thanks.
 
How have we turned on him?
He was never a serious candidate in the first place surely?

Have to say I was initially attracted to the idea of Carsley as Everton manager .

However he has no experience as a club manager and therefore would be helluva gamble.

Sadly he's also shown himself as uncomfortable dealing with the media so unfortunately it's a no from me.

Same here. I was up for giving Carlsey a go too but i definitely changed my mind after his stint as England caretaker. Didn't inspire any confidence at all, actually the total opposite. Good luck but no thanks.
 

Do you think we do any of this stuff.....?


Big Stat replaces Big Sam: how Premier League clubs recruit elite managers​

Brighton and Brentford lead the way as the age of the managerial big beast has been superseded by the dawn of data

Will Unwin

Will Unwin
Mon 21 Oct 2024 03.00 EDT
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It feels as if the days of sacking a manager for a run of defeats then scrolling through the Filofax to find numbers for Big Sam, Big Mick, Massive Moyesy or Huge Harry are coming to an end. There will always be a time and place for managerial heritage but clubs are increasingly mining statistics to help find the best fit for their strategy, players and even brand.

In the Premier League there are no job adverts and applications will not be accepted. Instead the search will start long before the paperwork for the latest P45 begins.



Succession planning is key: knowing the top three choices to replace the person in the dugout, whether they are moving on to bigger and better things or tending to their petunias. Brighton are often the benchmark, quickly replacing Graham Potter with Roberto De Zerbi and hiring Fabian Hürzeler when the Italian departed in the summer, allowing seamless transitions. Everyone is looking to replicate the process.


Thomas Tuchel’s arrival highlights English football’s failure to produce top managers
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“When you look at things like Brentford and Brighton, the reason, in part, that they use data so effectively is not just because they were pretty early movers in the space and they have smart people there, it’s because the whole club is aligned to work along that principle,” says Alex Stewart of the sports consultancy Analytics FC. “You need to make sure that all of the relevant stakeholders, which is usually the CEO, the sporting director and the owner, want the same thing.”

Analytics FC is one of a number of companies who provide advice to clubs and associations making appointments. Getting the wrong manager is a costly business: if things do not work out, compensation to sack them can run into the millions. Previously a lengthy CV was all that was required for a manager, hence the same people popping up in many different jobs. Football spent a long time treating itself solely like a sport but it is a multibillion-pound industry and needs to be run as such. In the corporate world the majority of chief executives and financial officers are headhunted by experts and football is catching up.


Well-run clubs have a philosophy running down from the top, dictated by a director of football or equivalent. There is a design of what a club wants to be, helping them understand the process required in the long term and ending the churn of managers with different playing styles that can be unsuited to a squad not recruited for their needs.

Sporting directors or consultants will create a matrix of requirements as they scour for potential candidates to fill a vacancy and will look from Albania to Zambia for coaches who could fit the bill. Studying the data on xG (expected goals) and xG against, for example, can be a good indicator of whether a manager is getting more out of a team than their predecessor. Another key indicator is whether a coach can affect a match by changing tactics or making a substitution, but the spread of stats that can dictate a recruitment process is almost infinite.

Fabian Hürzeler
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Fabian Hürzeler is just the latest managerial success story at Brighton, one of the leading clubs when it comes to crunching numbers. Photograph: Scott Heppell/Reuters
“We worked with a club who were cognisant that they had a relatively low transfer budget, so they were interested in potentially having a coach who had access to other regions in terms of scouting knowledge because that maybe would allow them to get players from that region less expensively, or the manager might bring good contacts with them,” Stewart says. “Those sorts of things are all part of the assessment, and we’ll build those in if they’re required.”


At the very top, metrics are used to compare squad value with points earned. The clubs who pay the most on transfers and wages should be first in the league and find coaches who are outperforming based on the relevant data.

These concepts are not faultless but are a good indicator of what a coach has achieved. It may surprise some that even though Pep Guardiola manages a Manchester City squad worth about £1.2bn, he still overachieves based on points accrued each season.

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A manager cannot live on stats alone. Man-management is another important concept and for this a sporting director will move away from the numbers and get on the phone to find former players and coaches who have worked with someone under consideration. It still takes plenty of legwork in the background to ascertain who lands perfectly in the middle of the Venn diagram.

The modern manager does not only produce a team to play twice a week but has media commitments. Handling of the press is another key aspect that a sporting director will review, poring over how a manager handles questions from journalists, whether they look nervous or overthink things when the microphone is in front of them and the extent to which words, phrases and cliches are repeated.

These are qualities that cannot be seen on a spreadsheet. Statistics act as a guide and those in charge can use the numbers but cannot hide behind them if something goes wrong. This is not a video game, it is real life and decisions have consequences, but at least more clubs are giving themselves the best chance of getting them right
 
….the Ipswich manager was in demand pre-season and linked with a few big clubs, there’s now a few rumours he could be in for the sack. Funny old game and maybe a bit of a lottery selecting a new manager.
 
Just got a weird feeling it might be Thomas Frank.

I like the bloke, just think he’s not the aesthetic a lot would like on here, he’s extremely direct. He’s also had a lot of ups and downs at Brentford.
I think that I totally agree.

I really like him , he comes across as honest , genuine and empathetic.

However , whilst it has been an excellent achievement to keep Brentford in the division his football is pretty unappealing
 
Just got a weird feeling it might be Thomas Frank.

I like the bloke, just think he’s not the aesthetic a lot would like on here, he’s extremely direct. He’s also had a lot of ups and downs at Brentford.

Ferguson was direct at United, klopp was direct at liverpool theres nothing wrong with direct football.

The issue is when crap managers just lump it up the pitch with no game plan apart from hope it results in a set piece. Then hope we might score from that.
 

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