The return of David Moyes

[Simon Buttle]

We simply don't know either way. The facts of the matter are Dyche had checked out and we were going in one direction and TFG rightly took action. Of course they will be judged on us surviving but my view is in the here and now, we have a better chance of that with Moyes. Therefore, based on what we know, it seems a sensible move.

I don't think we would have gone down under Dyche tbh, but at the same time I don't trust Thelwells recruitment so Moyes may well be a safer pair of hands we will have to wait and see but we need to score goals and Moyes is not someone you normally would bring in if your team needs to start scoring goals that's my only concern.

 

[chazzle_dazzle]

It feels like that Spiderman meme, where there is always 5/6 managers circling the bottom 8 pointing at each other to see who will get the job.

They are all the same, no different, same old ideas.

In the same position every 6-18 months because they are bottom dwellers.

David Moyes isnt relevant no more, he shouldnt be anywhere near our club - even without the stuff he came out with after he left. It's Dyche to Moyes, and I doubt he will bring any new ideas to the team to make a massive difference. Hes talking that he would accept 6 months and that he doesnt want a relegation fight, why on earth does he continually flirt with us, makes my blood boil tbh.

Am bored, Sam, Rafael, Dyche, Moyes, always the same, theres no difference.

What I would give for new ideas and something different.

Moshiris years have put us back decades, and maybe thats why Moyes is back in contention, but it's not the right decision imo.

 

[Eidean]

Dyche kept us up didn’t he so should we have kept him ?

Moyes followed that season by finishing 6/7th, Dyche followed last season by going dramatically backwards to one of the worst sides I’ve watched.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

you have an agenda at work, you are entitled to have one, but you seem to be intent on dragging up every possible negative angle over the appointment.

All the while advocating nonsense like Mourinho as a realistic replacement.

You're right actually mate, I should have included the positive.

He knows/gets the club.

As he says, West Ham is his home though - and he never improved them, results wise, twice when he rocked up mid season. So there's no guarentee people like to keep saying that he's a safe pair of hands.

 

[smileychap]

It's difficult...

Glasner has hardly reinvented palace. They are about where they usually are and are always in the mix for relegation. He wouldn't have lasted 5 minutes at Everton, especially after his start this season.

Emery is a top manager. He struggled at arsenal, but has been pretty consistently good since leaving them. Not sure what he'd do with a limited squad and limited funds, though.

We are still paying the price for our psr issues. Even with new owners, the general consensus is that clubs don't spend tonnes of money after building a new stadium. That leaves you with "steady hands" that are going to keep you in the league without doing anything spectacular. If that isn't the dictionary definition of David Moyes, I don't know what else is?

Glasner has done well at Palace if you consider the talent they've sold. He's got them playing to a formula.

Emery is class. Standout work at Villa and Sevilla. Arsenal weren't patient enough, but Arteta has done well also improving their physicality which was less obvious under Emery, granted.

Agree with final point, Moyes was steady at Sociedad (started at 13th, they finished the same and also the season after he left they improved slightly). I don't know how we introduces goals to this team though. Big concern. Wonder who he's identified to bring in to resolve that.

 

[ToffeeTim]

A long term deal to me is beyond this season, because we have a massive rebuild job this summer.

The point of that poll really was are we happy for him to take us into the new stadium. There's plenty asking if fans want him as manager, generally.

Ok that's fair. 18 months is still pretty short for a contract so I would be ok with that.

I definitely wouldn't say I'm happy it could be Moyes in charge for week 1 of next season, but I would be willing to accept it in the circumstances. This is far from an ideal situation, and I don't expect anyone to accept a short term deal.

I'm also slightly uneasy with the idea of a manager coming in short term without much incentive to prove they deserve to see a contract out next season. An 18 month deal doesn't mean we can't change again in the summer, but it would also hopefully mean the manager is desperate to perform and show TFG that they've earned next season.

 

[Milkman]

Did one yesterday.

Think there's some bias showing with the phrasing of that question.

If he is still here in 6 months, then it's 100% because he's kept us up. If he keeps us up then he's done his job, so would deserve a year to try and improve us no?

 

[GrandOldTeam]

Ok that's fair. 18 months is still pretty short for a contract so I would be ok with that.

I definitely wouldn't say I'm happy it could be Moyes in charge for week 1 of next season, but I would be willing to accept it in the circumstances. This is far from an ideal situation, and I don't expect anyone to accept a short term deal.

I'm also slightly uneasy with the idea of a manager coming in short term without much incentive to prove they deserve to see a contract out next season. An 18 month deal doesn't mean we can't change again in the summer, but it would also hopefully mean the manager is desperate to perform and show TFG that they've earned next season.

I think any manager we have this summer has to be long term, given we need to sign half a squad.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

Think there's some bias showing with the phrasing of that question.

If he is still here in 6 months, then it's 100% because he's kept us up. If he keeps us up then he's done his job, so would deserve a year to try and improve us no?

No.

Just like TFG would have sacked Dyche if they come in last summer, for Rangnick.

 

[brieverton]

Wouldn't be in favour of a long-term deal by any means but expect that, on the proviso we will stay up, he'll start next season here as well.

I imagine his contract will contain an option for at least another season.

I very much have mixed feelings about it all. It's not ideal and I'd rather we were able to get someone else in, but for all the talk of a progressive manager, it's very difficult to get one in our position.

Staying up is absolute, but even then I think with the amount of work to be done in the summer, next season will also represent another difficult challenge. Planning for that should be underway already and another change of manager in the summer is further instability and disruption.

Considering all this, I think he'll be here for at least 18 months. If we are stable by then it would be appropriate to build on that and change with more ambition in mind.

 

[Milkman]

No.

Just like TFG would have sacked Dyche if they come in last summer, for Rangnick.

That seems harsh to me. What if he wins every remaining game? Would that be enough to let him stay on?

 

[ToffeeTim]

I think any manager we have this summer has to be long term, given we need to sign half a squad.

In an ideal world yes I agree 100%, but the terrible results this season mean I'm not sure we can find the next long term manager this month.

 

[neil999]

The debate was around perceptions of him being a safe pair of hands just to get us until the end of the season.

To do that, it's sensible to look when he twice joined a Premier League club, midway through the season that was looking over their shoulder at relegation.

Twice then, when he's joined West Ham in the same position - he didn't actually improved them that same season.

If we were considering him in the summer and you want to give him a lot of money and 4/5 years, then yeah, talk up his long term record. But if anyone on here thinks David Moyes and about half a billion spend for 4-5 years then I will very much disagree with you.

I was the same but it appears things with dyche have got really bad, sounds like he has actually given up...as with lamoard near the end sounds like any change would be a positive and maybe moyes is the best short term option available that allows a better manager to be appointed in the summer?

 

[ToffeeTim]

I think there are 3 important questions for us to consider right now when deciding who we appoint

1. Are they a much better manager than Dyche?
2. Do we believe they will keep the club up?
3. Do we believe they can improve us next year to avoid a relegation battle altogether?

I think it's a definite yes on the first 2 with Moyes and probably a yes for question 3.

 

[Lob]

I am not happy with Moyes coming back although I will admit that he is definitely a lot better Manager than Dyche. I just want to get past this hiring someone short term to try and stay up never ending cycle malarkey and especially someone through sentimentality because of the past. He may well know the club but it was a long time ago now. Football has changed, the club have changed, the fans have changed. Not even certain he can keep us up tbh although again, i am very certain that Dyche wouldn't have this season. His head had completely gone.

I do get why they might do it and will of course get behind him fully but i just hope this decision doesn't come back to haunt us.