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The Return of Hooliganism

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I know it is not related to hooliganism in the UK but I was training a guy from Hungary and at a break he came over and started chatting football. Within a minute he asked if I had scuffles with the police.

He continued saying he had loads, nearly every weekend when he was going to football in Hungary, I asked him why? His answer was, ah you know blow off stream, it is fun to do. He was shocked that I didn't, my reply was 'I am a football fan, I just want to watch some football', about 5 times I had to repeat that.

I just don't get the mentality and it really frustrates me that these 'people' associate their behaviour with football. If you want to be a brainless moron and go and fight somebody, do that, I couldn't care less, just do it away from football. Why hide behind a sport, if you are a violent angry person, ironically, show some bravery and tell the world that you are a violent person and what type of clothing the other person wears doesn't actually bother you, tell them that you are basically just a [Poor language removed]. Own it.
 
wandyr79 said:
I know it is not related to hooliganism in the UK but I was training a guy from Hungary and at a break he came over and started chatting football. Within a minute he asked if I had scuffles with the police.

He continued saying he had loads, nearly every weekend when he was going to football in Hungary, I asked him why? His answer was, ah you know blow off stream, it is fun to do. He was shocked that I didn't, my reply was 'I am a football fan, I just want to watch some football', about 5 times I had to repeat that.

I just don't get the mentality and it really frustrates me that these 'people' associate their behaviour with football. If you want to be a brainless moron and go and fight somebody, do that, I couldn't care less, just do it away from football.
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You've hit the nail on the head here. It's nothing to do with football; rather, football is the convenient mechanism for them to go and have a scrap.

Rightly or wrongly, the rationale is that it's partisan (us versus them), there's like-minded people making the group and you get to travel. It's a perfect mix.

I'm with you here: in this day and age, I don't get why people want to have a scrap rather than play football. However, in my youth, I myself enjoyed a scrap.*

While not defending them in the slightest, to an extent I can see understand why young lads may be pushed towards it, but the grown men need to k'off.

*not football related, but as a teenager in general.
 
Nothing quite like the sound of when the bus leaves for an away game from county road and you hear a chorus of cans opening and people sniffing.

The main problem with all this is the cocaine problem this country has. The amount of stuff some of the people put away on them coaches is mind boggling.
 
AdamEFC said:
Nothing quite like the sound of when the bus leaves for an away game from county road and you hear a chorus of cans opening and people sniffing.

The main problem with all this is the cocaine problem this country has. The amount of stuff some of the people put away on them coaches is mind boggling.
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Went to Brighton away a few years back on a coach from county road. Must have been a 12.30 ko, cos the coach set off at 5.30am. We hadn’t got to the M62 and lads in front of us were passing round the lemo ?
 

AdamEFC said:
Nothing quite like the sound of when the bus leaves for an away game from county road and you hear a chorus of cans opening and people sniffing.

The main problem with all this is the cocaine problem this country has. The amount of stuff some of the people put away on them coaches is mind boggling.
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The issue with the lemo is it exacerbates their owns and needs. I'm not going to pretend I haven't drank a shed full of ale on away days or won't continue to do so.

But, for most people, you reach a limit with alcohol where you start to naturally wane if you drink too much. The more you have the more you need to have a break.

Cocaine keeps them high, keeps them going and wanting more to maintain the feeling. The more they take, the more they need - it's a vicious cycle.

I remember Arsenal away a few years ago. I'd drank about eight bottles of ale before we'd even reached London, which probably cost me about £15-20.

I was mostly done for the day. They'd snorted about £50 quids worth of coke each and it wasn't even midday; they'd need to keep going at that rate too. Madness!
 
AdamEFC said:
Nothing quite like the sound of when the bus leaves for an away game from county road and you hear a chorus of cans opening and people sniffing.

The main problem with all this is the cocaine problem this country has. The amount of stuff some of the people put away on them coaches is mind boggling.
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It was completely different for a spell in the mid / late 80`s.

The away day specials were like Bob Marley and his band on tour, by the time you got to Warrington, everyone was stoned off their heads and the last thing on their minds was fighting. The old bill generally turned a massive blind eye to it, as a stoned train was a peaceful train.
 

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The Premier League is worried about a significant rise in hooliganism in the game and is asking clubs to review procedures. Given what happened at the Villa game at Goodison Park, and at Wembley last summer, I am interested in what people think are the causes of this rise and what can be done to counter it.

Has lockdown made us less socially responsible? Has the governments response to taking the knee given a bad message?

We mustn’t step back, so what can be done to arrest the slide?
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Match day going fans are slowly twigging onto the fact that unless they support one of the top three or four teams, they will probably never see their team win anything ever again. They’re trolled 24/7 by football social media, referees operate to a corrupt agenda for a few top teams, prices keep going up, mercenary players come and go, mercenary managers come and go, distant owners don’t care.

It’s no wonder some fans lose their rag and it spills over. There’s no excuse for it but it’s understandable why it happens.
 
Alanbileysfeathercut said:
The tube from Euston wasn't either.
If that was happening nowadays these kids would be crying to their mothers.
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Hard lads of all the London teams put aside their allegiances to form one band of thugs who made their way to Euston or Kings Cross to pick off fans of teams making their way back up north.
 
Saint Domingo said:
Match day going fans are slowly twigging onto the fact that unless they support one of the top three or four teams, they will probably never see their team win anything ever again. They’re trolled 24/7 by football social media, referees operate to a corrupt agenda for a few top teams, prices keep going up, mercenary players come and go, mercenary managers come and go, distant owners don’t care.

It’s no wonder some fans lose their rag and it spills over. There’s no excuse for it but it’s understandable why it happens.
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Yeah I think there is two things going on here:

1. The general coked up idiots who use footie as an excuse to have a punch up.

2. The frustrated at modern footie fans as you advise.

You cant really solve no 1 but for no 2 you can start reforming football to make it more inclusive.

I've said for ages that the top 4-6 clubs moan about the scheduling of the cups with juggling Europe - amend the Carabao Cup so the top 4 teams who finished in the CL places the season prior do not enter it the following season.

Gives everyone else more chance to win something when the likes of City and Chelsea cant enter it fielding a 2nd string side good enough to sweep everyone else aside.

Add cheaper tickets and more access in the media to other clubs other than Man Utd, Liverpool, Chelsea and City.
 
adi dassler said:
Went to Brighton away a few years back on a coach from county road. Must have been a 12.30 ko, cos the coach set off at 5.30am. We hadn’t got to the M62 and lads in front of us were passing round the lemo ?
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My cousin got drafted in last minute to drive a coach down to Pompey. The bus was awash with substance.
Coach stopped just outside Winchester by police and boarded by sniffer dogs.
I know cousin isn't prone to exaggeration and when he said the first spaniel on board went to one seat and ended up on his back spinning around like a break dancer, I could believe him.
 
ForeverBlue92 said:
Yeah I think there is two things going on here:

1. The general coked up idiots who use footie as an excuse to have a punch up.

2. The frustrated at modern footie fans as you advise.

You cant really solve no 1 but for no 2 you can start reforming football to make it more inclusive.

I've said for ages that the top 4-6 clubs moan about the scheduling of the cups with juggling Europe - amend the Carabao Cup so the top 4 teams who finished in the CL places the season prior do not enter it the following season.

Gives everyone else more chance to win something when the likes of City and Chelsea cant enter it fielding a 2nd string side good enough to sweep everyone else aside.

Add cheaper tickets and more access in the media to other clubs other than Man Utd, Liverpool, Chelsea and City.
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There’s now situations where teams all’s cross the country are ‘rivals’ but in reality one won’t have won anything for decades, and have no prospect of winning anything again, whilst the other has a very high chance of winning the biggest trophies every season. This disparity is only getting bigger. This wasn’t the case in the 80s. Clubs didn’t have these decades of failure behind them, everyone fancied a tilt at the cup most seasons, the European cup was still an absolute rarity and not something you expected to win every season.
 

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