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The small world of Eddie Howe

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Connor said:
If you ignore the money he’s spent - which isn’t exactly Moyes sell to buys levels - and the wages they’ve started handing out.

Let’s not forget they’ve backed by a Russian billionaire for quite some time.
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Almost every Prem club is backed by a billionaire - let's not go suggesting they are throwing hundreds of millions at transfers each year because it's simply not true.

The money he's spent has been on young players with a definite purpose in mind. He gets some of the best young players in the country with the promise of lots of game time, lots of opportunities (which goes hand in hand with mistakes when it comes to young players - which is why their defence isn't great!).

Apart from a couple, every player he's signed over the last few years has not just held their value but significantly increased in value, over and above typical market inflation.

You can't say that with a lot of other managers.
 
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Keiran said:
Almost every Prem club is backed by a billionaire - let's not go suggesting they are throwing hundreds of millions at transfers each year because it's simply not true.

The money he's spent has been on young players with a definite purpose in mind. And, apart from a couple, every player he's signed over the last few years will have significantly increased in value, over and above typical market inflation.

You can't say that with a lot of other managers.
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Last 5 years Everton’s debt on spending £230 Bournemouth’s £180mil. Give or take

Everton’s debt the previous 5 years was 2mil
 
Keiran said:
So you acknowledge that:

- There are no trophy-winning managers that want to manage Everton.
- There are no guarantees with any manager.

But you scoff at the idea of bringing in a young manager who has built an excellent reputation elsewhere. To me, It's much like signing young players (where there is also no guarantee).

Most fans love signing young players. Moise Kean, for example, who hasn't done what we need him to do before (in the sense that he's got no Prem experience or scored goals regularly at the highest level) - BUT we like what he has done before and he's an educated risk.

Same thing with any manager. Howe has done excellent at a level we'd consider beneath us. Nobody would doubt he's done a good job there, but he's not done what we'd need him to do for us - namely taking a team from outside the top six, into the top six.

Of course, as you say there are managers that have done that in the past with other teams that have managed us before that we simply wouldn't entertain - like Hughes, Allardyce, O'Leary, Moyes, Ranieri, Redknapp, O'Neill, Pardew, Martinez, Koeman or Burley.

Now if there's managers who have done precisely the job we require, that none of us fancy. And there's managers that we'd love, that wouldn't touch us with a barge pole. We're going to have to make some concessions aren't we?
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Well, I said 'Successful Managers'. I mean, Martinez was a trophy-winning manager prior to coming to Everton.

Obviously there can be no guarantees as such. You can only appoint the man that you believe is able to do the job that is required, depending on the clubs' situation. For instance, Barcelona aren't going to appoint Alan Pardew to help them to continue to compete at the highest level. Likewise, I wouldn't expect a club fighting for survival to appoint a top-class manager who only has experience in managing top clubs, and confident top-class players, at the highest level. Whether we like it or not, we're in Big Sam territory, not Pep Guardiola. As I've said before, I really don't know who is capable of rolling their sleeves up and getting their hands dirty to drag us out of the crap-pile that we are in. The only good thing is, there are still plenty of games left and, right now, we are on the edge between getting relegated and finishing in the top half of the table. There are so few points in it, it could go either way for us.

Sorry for taking so long to reply, I kind of lost interest partway through tbh. As for me 'scoffing at the idea of binging in a young manager etc. I tend not to get too emotionally attached with Everton and the like, so you'll find that a lot of my post are often tongue-in-cheek sort of thing.
 
blue to the bone said:
Howe and Bournemouth always go on very poor runs . If he came in here and went on one of them where would it leave us.
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He's achieving his targets at Bournemouth. Keep them in the Prem, continue to increase the value of the playing squad. Irrespective of runs of 4 losses, it's job done.

If he came here, his targets would be very different.

Stephenlloyd said:
Last 5 years Everton’s debt on spending £230 Bournemouth’s £180mil. Give or take

Everton’s debt the previous 5 years was 2mil
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Other than Richarlison and Digne, how many of the players we've signed in the last 5 years, if we were to resell now, would we make our money back on?

How many would we lose money on? How many would we make a profit on?

Because, save for Ibe and possibly Solanke, Bournemouth would make a massive profit on pretty much every signing - well over and above the value of the players we've bought.
 

Keiran said:
He's achieving his targets at Bournemouth. Keep them in the Prem, continue to increase the value of the playing squad. Irrespective of runs of 4 losses, it's job done.

If he came here, his targets would be very different.



Other than Richarlison and Digne, how many of the players we've signed in the last 5 years, if we were to resell now, would we make our money back on?

How many would we lose money on? How many would we make a profit on?

Because, save for Ibe and possibly Solanke, Bournemouth would make a massive profit on pretty much every signing - well over and above the value of the players we've bought.
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Their form at the moment is terrible. If they lose their next 2 which given the fixtures is very possible he will come under a lot of pressure . His past record will not matter a lot if they lose 6 in a row.
 
Keiran said:
He's achieving his targets at Bournemouth. Keep them in the Prem, continue to increase the value of the playing squad. Irrespective of runs of 4 losses, it's job done.

If he came here, his targets would be very different.



Other than Richarlison and Digne, how many of the players we've signed in the last 5 years, if we were to resell now, would we make our money back on?

How many would we lose money on? How many would we make a profit on?

Because, save for Ibe and possibly Solanke, Bournemouth would make a massive profit on pretty much every signing - well over and above the value of the players we've bought.
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Who are they selling for decent money. Ake, Wilson but not for 50mil be lucky to get 30. and brooks the young welsh lad, nobody else
 

blue to the bone said:
May be the limit of his abilities though.
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Is this fear not going to be the case with any manager?

If we got Allegri, you'd worry if he'd be able to translate his performances into the Premier League rather than Serie A which has been utterly dominated by Juventus over the last 10 years - in exactly the same way that Celtic have dominated the SPL.

If we'd got Rodgers, people would have feared that he flopped at Liverpool and 'he's only been managing in the SPL'. They were wrong.

You can apply that logic to literally ANY manager, even the very best ones as nobody has ever got the exact experience you're looking for. It's all an educated risk, same as buying players.

And as i pointed out earlier, the ones that have achieved the exact things we want them to (take a side outside the top six into the top six), most on here have unanimously agreed they don't want.
 
Keiran said:
Is this fear not going to be the case with any manager?

If we got Allegri, you'd worry if he'd be able to translate his performances into the Premier League rather than Serie A which has been utterly dominated by Juventus over the last 10 years - in exactly the same way that Celtic have dominated the SPL.

If we'd got Rodgers, people would have feared that he flopped at Liverpool and 'he's only been managing in the SPL'. They were wrong.

You can apply that logic to literally ANY manager, even the very best ones as nobody has ever got the exact experience you're looking for. It's all an educated risk, same as buying players.

And as i pointed out earlier, the ones that have achieved the exact things we want them to (take a side outside the top six into the top six), most on here have unanimously agreed they don't want.
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I'd much rather take a risk on a manager that has achieved more then finishing around 11th or 12th in the league anyway.
 
Stephenlloyd said:
150mil ha ha
stop taking them drugs mate
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How much for them 5 mate? Modern market, bearing in mind that:

Ryan Fraser contributed as many goals and assists last season as Harry Kane and Lacazette (21)

Callum Wilson contributed as many goals and assists as Sadio Mane, more than Vardy (23)

Chelsea were widely reported to have been quoted £75m for Wilson in the summer. Even if you don't think he's worth that, you'd do well to get him for less than £60m.
 
Keiran said:
How much for them 5 mate? Modern market, bearing in mind that:

Ryan Fraser contributed as many goals and assists last season as Harry Kane and Lacazette (21)

Callum Wilson contributed as many goals and assists as Sadio Mane, more than Vardy (23)

Chelsea were widely reported to have been quoted £75m for Wilson in the summer. Even if you don't think he's worth that, you'd do well to get him for less than £60m.
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Fraser is available on a free this summer.
Wilson’s goal record is similar to kings, so is king worth 60mil.
If that’s there price they will never leave.
Strikers With a 1 in 3 strike rate that are 28 and Wilson has suffered bad injuries. Nobody is paying 40mil for him. 25 for king if they’re lucky.
Cook is a decent player, but nothing more.

Brookes is the one they could get a top fee for, but that will be a few years down the line
 

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