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Simon baker
Player Valuation: £10m
Hope that’s the plan he can tide us over while we wait for the youngsters to mature.
Only way I see us breaking the 6/7th ceiling is having Lookman, holgate, Kenny, Davies, dowell, vlasic, bangimine, Pickford, Calvert-Lewin possibly joe Williams & Callum Connolly all at the club when they are aged 23/24.
Toffeelover
Player Valuation: £80m
MACCA75
Player Valuation: £70m
You realise that you need some ‘older’ experienced players in a team don’t you?
David Silva is 32, Kompany 31, Fernandinho 32. Aguero 29, Otamendi 29. Etc.
Key players in possibly the best Prem side ever.
bluestevon
Player Valuation: £80m
Same as i was saying the other day mate, depends what metrics you are using to determine a players peak age, so many variables that a single study with set parameters and a small time frame can't possibly produce a definitive answer.
Will give you examples why, do they take into account how long the player has been playing/training at the top level - number of games - miles on his clock etc?
Do they take into account age cross indexed with injury histories to show how a player whose not suffered with any significant injury will tend to age much better?
Do they take into account how professional the player is, for example Ronaldo current one compared to Brazilian Rondaldo?
The person you quoted said about players relying on pace as their main attribute and he can't think of any who was still at his peak post 30.
Can give one straight away, Vardy is 31 - still absolutely as fast as he ever was.
Won't argue that pace declines with age - only have to check sprinters and world records for that obvious fact, but will throw out another stat to balance that, longer distance runners tend to become better as they age, similar parallels can be said about footballers, Giggs who he stated etc - his best season for United was when he was 30, and arguably his greatest ever game was then too against Juventus, Similarly Ronaldo has become a slower BUT better player at 30 than he was at 25 (his supposed peak age).
It's far too wide a subject to give a definitive answer on
Toffeelover
Player Valuation: £80m
Yep, need to have a stock of older players Jags, Baines, Williams, Rooney. Have I missed anyone out?
bluestevon
Player Valuation: £80m
Jamie Vardy
bluestevon
Player Valuation: £80m
Giggs most productive season for United was the year he turned 30, he kept up a similar level of production he had in his mid 20's for about 3 years after that mate.
Barnfred 55
Player Valuation: £80m
I thought the word coming out of Arsenal is that he's on his way mate, it's just a question of where?. You have to think we have at least as much chance as Southampton if they're our main competition.
Personally I chose the cheese option on this, mainly because of his injury record over the years. He's certainly better and more experienced than what we have here at the moment, but there are also question marks over his shelf life and of course will have little sell on value.
His name was touted in the summer and my view then was that we should be doing better. But I suppose it's an indication of how much our stock has fallen since the start of the season, and how much fans expectations have lowered, that 2/3 of people on here would now be happy with this acquisition.
With the return of Bolasie and the addition of Walcott, the side is much better equipped to play the counter, so I can see why Allerdyce is keen on him. They will both also be important players when playing away from home generally. We massively missed Bolasie last season in this regard.
However, Allardyce also needs to come up with a system of playing against lesser teams who come to Goodison and park the bus. Dare I say parking the bus ourselves is NOT the answer, without upsetting the SA fan club. Personally I would play a high line with Keane and Holgate in the middle of a back 4. Play Rooney in midfield and find room for Vlasic or Lookman or both. Maybe even try 2 up front.
Oh, and do something at left back please. We won't function properly as a football team when Martina is still there. If Baines return is not imminent then something needs to be done.
bluestevon
Player Valuation: £80m
I'd also say the peak of Distin's career was with us well into his 30's mate, he didn't start to decline until he lost his pace - and that was when he was about 35/36.
Here's a thing that isn't being factored in, the injury that effects pace the most after it occurs, is the hamstring one, faster players (who play wide or with space to run into) just naturally tend to pick up more of those injuries as they are more likely to go at full tilt, also very fast players naturally tend to have a habit of coming through a lot younger than ones without pace - playing and training at a higher level at a younger age = again more likely to suffer injuries that ultimately curb their pace earlier in their careers.
It's all inter connected
AdaBrummieblue
Player Valuation: £20m
Don't know what the fuss is here. Does Walcott walk into our first 11? Yes. Then we sign him. Simple really.
Barnfred 55
Player Valuation: £80m
Mate, if Martinez would have been content with a DOF role I'd have been delighted as I was 100% behind his vision for the club. But his days were numbered as a coach as he was too stubborn to a system that didn't work for the quality of player he had at his disposal. In the end it wasn't the fans that caused his downfall, it was the players because bar Robles, every single one of them stopped playing for him.
Jermaine Defoe
Well we'll see if his output decline over the next year or so. I searched Vardy pace decline and there are lots of comments/articles saying his movement and speed have declined in the last 18 months.
There will always be exceptions but I can think of the likes of Owen, Lineker, Overmars etc etc etc who didn't last much beyond 30 not to mention the likes of Andy Johnson and midtier players who were gone before 30.
Just hope it's over and done with very soon. Hopefully we can close this thread then.
Sign him up Sam...he will improve the team/squad.
Sign him up Sam...he will improve the team/squad.
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