Third Place: Belgium vs England

[TheBigIguana]

You're putting Roberto's team's WC campaign down to "luck" and I'm the one not being serious?

Ok.

Which part of it was down to his skill as a manager? Drawing two of the worst teams in the tournament? Playing the worst team in the round of 16? Fernandinho's own goal? De Bruyne's screamer? Courtois being really good?

For me he did one really tactically astute thing and that was bringing on Fellaini against Japan. But ultimately bringing on the tall lad vs the Japanese doesn't really take a whole lot of thinking. I genuinely believe he had a solid amount of good fortune to avoid going backwards from what Wilmots, an objectively horrible manager, did in 2014

 

[davek]

He played Dele All and Jesse Lingard in every game who do exactly that.

They dont face play and create. They are runners and do a lot of lateral running, working from outside--->inside. Apples and pears.

 

[davek]

I wouldnt imagine he is fixated on one when he hasnt actually got one to pick.

But he did. That's the point. He chose to take a lot of the same type of player and not a player who could offer something different, even if they are not a De Bruyne.

 

[roydo]

Which part of it was down to his skill as a manager? Drawing two of the worst teams in the tournament? Playing the worst team in the round of 16? Fernandinho's own goal? De Bruyne's screamer? Courtois being really good?

For me he did one really tactically astute thing and that was bringing on Fellaini against Japan. But ultimately bringing on the tall lad vs the Japanese doesn't really take a whole lot of thinking. I genuinely believe he had a solid amount of good fortune to avoid going backwards from what Wilmots, an objectively horrible manager, did in 2014

He did do his annual "play Rom out wide" trick against Brazil.

 

[davek]

Which part of it was down to his skill as a manager? Drawing two of the worst teams in the tournament? Playing the worst team in the round of 16? Fernandinho's own goal? De Bruyne's screamer? Courtois being really good?

For me he did one really tactically astute thing and that was bringing on Fellaini against Japan. But ultimately bringing on the tall lad vs the Japanese doesn't really take a whole lot of thinking. I genuinely believe he had a solid amount of good fortune to avoid going backwards from what Wilmots, an objectively horrible manager, did in 2014

Yes, mate. It was ALL luck: the top scorers of the WC; the 6 out of 7 game wins; the 3rd place....Martinez's record with Belgium of two losses in 26 games is also luck.

I hope Everton get this type of luck too.

 

[TheBigIguana]

He did do his annual "play Rom out wide" trick against Brazil.

But it didn't really work. Brazil controlled the game had the chances and lost because Fernandinho is a clown in the yellow shirt and KDB smashed one in while Silva, Coutinho and whoever else bottled it. It wasn't down to Roberto out foxing them. The second half the Brazilians had it completely figured out

 

[roydo]

But he did. That's the point. He chose to take a lot of the same type of player and not a player who could offer something different, even if they are not a De Bruyne.

He settled on a system, and selected players he thought could play it. Its the same system every England youth team use.

This "offer something different" makes no sense. You think Shelvey would have made the difference. We can dispute starters and subs, but please tell me what fit England player he didnt take which he should have?

 

[COYBL25]

He settled on a system, and selected players he thought could play it. Its the same system every England youth team use.

This "offer something different" makes no sense. You think Shelvey would have made the difference. We can dispute starters and subs, but please tell me what fit England player he didnt take which he should have?

Why is Shlevey even being mentioned.

He`s an absloute dog, who is always good for a red.

No way he`d have survived that Columbia game.

 

[LinekersLegs]

He settled on a system, and selected players he thought could play it. Its the same system every England youth team use.

This "offer something different" makes no sense. You think Shelvey would have made the difference. We can dispute starters and subs, but please tell me what fit England player he didnt take which he should have?

It is Wilshere Roydo, the same player that couldn’t get in a Bournemouth team but apparently would have kept his temper and his frangile ankles intact long enough to win us the trophy sgainst France.

 

[roydo]

Why is Shlevey even being mentioned.

Because someone thinks Southgates big mistake was not taking him.

Yeah, I know.

 

[COYBL25]

Because someone thinks Southgates big mistake was not taking him.

Yeah, I know.

I think the sun is getting to him.

 

[TheBigIguana]

Yes, mate. It was ALL luck: the top scorers of the WC; the 6 out of 7 game wins; the 3rd place....Martinez's record with Belgium of two losses in 26 games is also luck.

I hope Everton get this type of luck too.

You keep regurgitating stats that don't really address the fact that he has talent equal or better to that of almost every team and couldn't put together a winning plan. They deservedly lost to France and the other talented team they played, Brazil, should have easily beat them too. They out classed Panama Tunisia and Japan and almost didn't get through those 3 teams anyway. How many of those 26 came in competitive games against teams with similar levels of talent? He is living off the fact that he has De Bruyne and Hazard and sabotaging their chances at a major trophy with his incompetence. If you switch the draw and they are in say Germany or France or Spain's spot I don't know that they get to the quarterfinals

Edit: I said winning plan. That is a bad choice of words. What I mean is a plan to consistently out play the other team. As in create more and better chances to score than you allow the other team to create on you. He didn't do that and for me that is the managers job. Sometimes you win despite that failure because players still have to play

 

[Gwladys St. Glory]

It's been a disastrous WC for those people and a wonderful, belief-affirming one for the Robertonians amongst us.

 

[Kurt.]

It is Wilshere Roydo, the same player that couldn’t get in a Bournemouth team but apparently would have kept his temper and his frangile ankles intact long enough to win us the trophy sgainst France.

Nobody claimed that did they.. personally I said he could have offered something different off the bench in a tight game...if you look at the squad he took everything was a bit ‘samey’ ... nothing different on the bench to what was on the field...nobody suggested he would or should have played 90 minutes in every game.... but you knew that didn’t you.

 

[USABlue]