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Thomas Tuchel

Would you want Thomas Tuchel as our next manager?

  • Yes

    Votes: 342 75.5%
  • No

    Votes: 53 11.7%
  • Tucheese on thoast

    Votes: 58 12.8%

  • Total voters
    453
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Id be horrified if we hired Dyche...we need to think big.
Agreed. It certainly wouldn't be the option I'd choose first. Nevertheless, when you consider our current situation it isn't an awful option at all.

Thinking big and the actual reality do not always correlate: we're a team in the relegation zone; playing style in disarray; a flawed squad.

When you removed the blue tinted glasses and our own opinion of grandeur, would the likes of Ancelotti and Tuchel take such a gamble?

While I'd love them to, it is with unfortunate acceptance that I doubt they would or at least not yet. Small steps and all that!
 
Id be horrified if we hired Dyche...we need to think big.

I agree in the sense of thinking big, Zat. I do.

But there's also a huge case for thinking sensible and the best man for the job will be somebody who can galvanise and organise this current squad, so I can see the logic in the Dyche links. I also do think he'd 'get Everton' - although I'm not that arsed about that side of it.
 
Is he able to speak english, then? I'm not gonna be all UKIP about this thing, but i really believe Koeman's cold attitude combined with his limited language skills really helped with alienating the team.

The last thing we need is a high-up foreign pedigree boss type that sulks in his office plotting who gets to be dropped or rotated next. Which is why i think hiring someone like Ancelotti would be a total scandal.

I'm not saying Tuchel is the same type of person, surely he seems like a Klopp Mk. 2, just less whimsical. But my worry is about being able to connect with the players, the tactical ability means nothing as far as i'm concerned.
 
Agreed. It certainly wouldn't be the option I'd choose first. Nevertheless, when you consider our current situation it isn't an awful option at all.

Thinking big and the actual reality do not always correlate: we're a team in the relegation zone; playing style in disarray; a flawed squad.

When you removed the blue tinted glasses and our own opinion of grandeur, would the likes of Ancelotti and Tuchel take such a gamble?

While I'd love them to, it is with unfortunate acceptance that I doubt they would or at least not yet. Small steps and all that!

I've gone off Ancelotti.

He's an amazing manager but it'd take a huge sum to even get him to show us a bit of ankle, plus I'm not sure he'd be any less aloof or detached than Koeman - and at this stage in his career he doesn't need the job. In fact, he's likely to be back in Milan pretty soon anyway.

Tuchel I think would be extremely keen to take over if we offered him Koeman's wages and the promise he'd be backed if required. It's the Prem and he is hungry to prove himself. That being said he may be waiting for Arsenal/Chelsea to become available...

But, there's a huge case for someone who knows English football, knows the league and most importantly can organise a side. That's what we're lacking at the moment - any system or style of play.

I don't think many of us want Dyche as our first choice, but Burnley fans (and I know a fair few, for some reason!) have been saying for a while that ours is the only job they'd be worried about Dyche leaving them for.

I want Tuchel. I want us to show we aren't buying into the glass ceiling mentality. But that is more of a gamble for all parties than someone like Dyche, probably.

I'm looking at it like this.

I think Moshiri and the fans will want Tuchel or a 'name' manager. He's quality, but there are risks.

I think footballing people, who have played or coached especially, actually think that Dyche would be the better candidate for the reasons I state above.

I know it's not easy to hear the 'if you haven't played you can't comment' argument, and I don't buy into it in general. But, in this case, the ex-pros especially do seem to feel that this is what this squad may need right now, based on similar experiences - and I don't think they can all be wrong.

Either way, it needs to be done quickly. The international break has to be the cut-off.

If Unsworth does dramatically well, he may well deserve it, but tbh I think it's asking a lot of him and putting a huge strain on such an inexperienced manager, who at the moment is building a solid career and should be in no rush to change.
 

In the sense that Klopp pays very little attention to organising a defence, I agree.

The thing is, Tuchel - and I watched a lot of Dortmund over his tenure (more than when Klopp was there as well) - does try and stay organised defensively, as you point out. The worry is his side weren't particularly great at it.

Maybe I'm over-imagining their weaknesses, but Dortmund consistently looked shaky under him (that being said, that's the way they play now as well) and I'm not sure how well his methods would transition over to the Prem.

Don't get me wrong - I'd be thrilled if we got him and do think it would represent a step in the right direction - but I do also have my doubts and can see the logic in getting Dyche in.

Firstly, he'd organise us and secondly, I do think he gets a rough ride from some fans on how he plays the game. He's a pragmatist but not in the Moyes or even Koeman 'knife to a gunfight' sense. He just works with the tools he has available. He has an experience of the league and English football on his hands and I think we'd see improvements straight away under him.

But we'll see. It's a hugely important time and a massive decision for the club.

There are pros and cons to either.

The club are in a bit of a pickle currently. First thing is to get points on the board and find some semblance of a settled team.
I don't think any of us know what we actually have regarding personnel if the stories regarding Koemans 'whack it forward' training methods are true.

I expect to see a side with a bit more balance and fluidity in the next few games. That will give a good indicator as to what the next manager will have to work with.
 
I've gone off Ancelotti.

He's an amazing manager but it'd take a huge sum to even get him to show us a bit of ankle, plus I'm not sure he'd be any less aloof or detached than Koeman - and at this stage in his career he doesn't need the job. In fact, he's likely to be back in Milan pretty soon anyway.

Tuchel I think would be extremely keen to take over if we offered him Koeman's wages and the promise he'd be backed if required. It's the Prem and he is hungry to prove himself. That being said he may be waiting for Arsenal/Chelsea to become available...

But, there's a huge case for someone who knows English football, knows the league and most importantly can organise a side. That's what we're lacking at the moment - any system or style of play.

I don't think many of us want Dyche as our first choice, but Burnley fans (and I know a fair few, for some reason!) have been saying for a while that ours is the only job they'd be worried about Dyche leaving them for.

I want Tuchel. I want us to show we aren't buying into the glass ceiling mentality. But that is more of a gamble for all parties than someone like Dyche, probably.

I'm looking at it like this.

I think Moshiri and the fans will want Tuchel or a 'name' manager. He's quality, but there are risks.

I think footballing people, who have played or coached especially, actually think that Dyche would be the better candidate for the reasons I state above.

I know it's not easy to hear the 'if you haven't played you can't comment' argument, and I don't buy into it in general. But, in this case, the ex-pros especially do seem to feel that this is what this squad may need right now, based on similar experiences - and I don't think they can all be wrong.

Either way, it needs to be done quickly. The international break has to be the cut-off.

If Unsworth does dramatically well, he may well deserve it, but tbh I think it's asking a lot of him and putting a huge strain on such an inexperienced manager, who at the moment is building a solid career and should be in no rush to change.
I understand what your saying, and your quite correct. But my concern is once Dyche or Unsworth have steadied us mid table , I can’t envisage either of them taking us any further, and we end up becalmed mid way in the league.
I can’t imagine us sacking a manager for finishing 7th. It’ll be like Moyes all over again.
I would much rather we take a chance and appoint a manager who will look to take us higher.
 
I understand what your saying, and your quite correct. But my concern is once Dyche or Unsworth have steadied us mid table , I can’t envisage either of them taking us any further, and we end up becalmed mid way in the league.
I can’t imagine us sacking a manager for finishing 7th. It’ll be like Moyes all over again.
I would much rather we take a chance and appoint a manager who will look to take us higher.

That's my feeling as well.

It's one thing steadying the ship (which ultimately now has to be the priority, or we're in real, real trouble). It's another building on that.

A real mess.
 
He’s literally done nothing in his career, obviously has a toxic personality due to the fact that he’s fallen out with every club he’s worked at. If he’d been at say Schalke instead of Borussia Dortmund would he be a “big name”?
 

Didn't he fall out with the board, players and fans?

No, the players were pretty behind him I think - maybe one or two had spats - but they were all delighted with the cup win.

Things turned sour after the coach bombing with certain elements and he did have a fall out with the board which is why he left.

Not sure the fans were too enamoured with his play at times - though I'm not sure their exact reasons why.
 
He’s literally done nothing in his career, obviously has a toxic personality due to the fact that he’s fallen out with every club he’s worked at. If he’d been at say Schalke instead of Borussia Dortmund would he be a “big name”?

He did better at Mainz than Klopp did and took a Dortmund side that had finished seventh back up to where they belong.

He's a talented manager.

Whether he's the right fit for us...
 
Absolutely loving people 'going off' Ancellotti when he's won the leagues and European Cups and we are in the bottom 3

Fantastic stuff

Well clearly I'd have him here in a heartbeat, but I just don't think it's realistic.

So in that sense I'm putting the idea of him managing us aside.

I don't think it'd be worth it for him to come to us in the state we're in and if people complained Koeman was aloof, then they won't like Ancelotti.

He's won leagues and European Cups with brilliant sides. He's not a manager who'll want to take over this side at this stage in his career.
 

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