Thomas Tuchel

[Telford-Feb-85]

In the sense that Klopp pays very little attention to organising a defence, I agree.

The thing is, Tuchel - and I watched a lot of Dortmund over his tenure (more than when Klopp was there as well) - does try and stay organised defensively, as you point out. The worry is his side weren't particularly great at it.

Maybe I'm over-imagining their weaknesses, but Dortmund consistently looked shaky under him (that being said, that's the way they play now as well) and I'm not sure how well his methods would transition over to the Prem.

Don't get me wrong - I'd be thrilled if we got him and do think it would represent a step in the right direction - but I do also have my doubts and can see the logic in getting Dyche in.

Firstly, he'd organise us and secondly, I do think he gets a rough ride from some fans on how he plays the game. He's a pragmatist but not in the Moyes or even Koeman 'knife to a gunfight' sense. He just works with the tools he has available. He has an experience of the league and English football on his hands and I think we'd see improvements straight away under him.

But we'll see. It's a hugely important time and a massive decision for the club.

They Fecking terrible defensively under him and that was with good defenders.

 

[bol-uk]

Sean Dyche CV:

Managerial record by team and tenure
Team From To Record Ref
P W D L Win %
Watford 21 June 2011 6 July 2012 49 17 17 15 34.7 [9][36]
Burnley 30 October 2012 Present 229 91 67 71 39.7 [36]
Total 278 108 84 86 38.8 —


Win %....................38.8

 

[BlueToff]

They Fecking terrible defensively under him and that was with good defenders.

Dortmund don't have good defenders

Marc Bartra isn't a good defender
Schmelzer isn't a good defender
Durm isn't a good defender
Piszczek is permanently crocked
Weidenfeller and Burki aren't great keepers
Subotic was crocked for two years and has lost all of his pace
Hummels is one of the most overrated defenders about

Sokratis is decent, but had to carry that defence

As I've said in the other thread I do have concerns, and I'm not sure he'd be the right fit because of those concerns.

 

[Deleted member 28206]

I know we got the "Next Everton Manager" thread but we have threads on Giggs and Dyche so I think we could do with a thread dedicated to the one the Mirror is claiming to be our top target.

Some information:
- Thomas Tuchel
- 44 years old
- German
- 3 clubs managed; Augsburg reserves (34M, 20W, 8D, 6L, +35GD), Mainz (182M, 72W, 46D, 64L, -40GD), Borussia Dortmund (108M, 68W, 23D, 17L, +132GD)
- Total win rate for his career is 45.59%, nearly 63% with Dortmund but under 40% with Mainz
- Won the german domestic cup with Dortmund, he also got them to the quarter finals of both the Europa and Champions League

He's the one I hope we get, though I have to admit unlikely. Other papers are saying he's waiting for a European giant to come in for him. I think he'd be perfect because he's a young manager with both European experience (with Dortmund) and experienced at dealing with keeping teams up (with Mainz).

From the cretins over on the Everton subreddit, I found this link: http://outsideoftheboot.com/2015/07/24/tactical-philosophy-thomas-tuchel/

Quoted a bit of it, below, if you're curious to how he handles his teams:


Could do a job.

Philosophy?

 

[rochdaleblue]

Out of the candidates, Tuchel in my mind is the only one, with the potential to break us into the top 4 long term. The others...Europa League places and giggs and Neville...a relegation battle.

 

[Nymzee]

Could he really implement his style of play on the group we currently have? I'm not so sure.

 

[Brendan Janus]

We wouldn't go far wrong with Patrick Phelan at the helm !!

 

[Zatara]

Agreed. It certainly wouldn't be the option I'd choose first. Nevertheless, when you consider our current situation it isn't an awful option at all.

Thinking big and the actual reality do not always correlate: we're a team in the relegation zone; playing style in disarray; a flawed squad.

When you removed the blue tinted glasses and our own opinion of grandeur, would the likes of Ancelotti and Tuchel take such a gamble?

While I'd love them to, it is with unfortunate acceptance that I doubt they would or at least not yet. Small steps and all that!

I agree in the sense of thinking big, Zat. I do.

But there's also a huge case for thinking sensible and the best man for the job will be somebody who can galvanise and organise this current squad, so I can see the logic in the Dyche links. I also do think he'd 'get Everton' - although I'm not that arsed about that side of it.

Unsworth can organise a team and would have far more backing than Dyche.

If he isn't able to succeed then you have to go for Allardyce or someone short term but not a long term appointment like Dyche would be...

Or you try for a big name now...

 

[Milkman]

Poll please.

 

[Blues Harp]

He's won the German cup you say? Martinez won the FA cup, did some good work at Swansea and was initially hailed as an up and coming coach. Won't comment because I don't know how Dortmund played before he left and thanks to Blue Toff for his info. If he did come here, based on what people on here have said, at the very minimum I would expect top 6, and a trophy...no excuses now is there?

 

[PhilM]

Unsworth can organise a team and would have far more backing than Dyche.

If he isn't able to succeed then you have to go for Allardyce or someone short term but not a long term appointment like Dyche would be...

Not aiming this at you personally Zat however I find this kind of view or thinking, based mainly on sentiment, slightly perplexing.

Unsworth has done a fantastic job with the U23 squad and I'd love him to thrive at the top echelons, but he'd be a relatively substantial risk.

While I'm not advocating Dyche as the forerunner for the position, he does have greater experience and proven results within the Premier League.

His Burnley side have played some nice football over the last few years as well gaining a fair few scalps against the top teams along the way.

I'd much rather employ Dyche rather than Unsworth potentially flopping (hope he wouldn't) or taking a horrendous punt on Fat Sam.

 

[Lanolin]

I've gone off Ancelotti.

He's an amazing manager but it'd take a huge sum to even get him to show us a bit of ankle, plus I'm not sure he'd be any less aloof or detached than Koeman - and at this stage in his career he doesn't need the job. In fact, he's likely to be back in Milan pretty soon anyway.

Tuchel I think would be extremely keen to take over if we offered him Koeman's wages and the promise he'd be backed if required. It's the Prem and he is hungry to prove himself. That being said he may be waiting for Arsenal/Chelsea to become available...

But, there's a huge case for someone who knows English football, knows the league and most importantly can organise a side. That's what we're lacking at the moment - any system or style of play.

I don't think many of us want Dyche as our first choice, but Burnley fans (and I know a fair few, for some reason!) have been saying for a while that ours is the only job they'd be worried about Dyche leaving them for.

I want Tuchel. I want us to show we aren't buying into the glass ceiling mentality. But that is more of a gamble for all parties than someone like Dyche, probably.

I'm looking at it like this.

I think Moshiri and the fans will want Tuchel or a 'name' manager. He's quality, but there are risks.

I think footballing people, who have played or coached especially, actually think that Dyche would be the better candidate for the reasons I state above.

I know it's not easy to hear the 'if you haven't played you can't comment' argument, and I don't buy into it in general. But, in this case, the ex-pros especially do seem to feel that this is what this squad may need right now, based on similar experiences - and I don't think they can all be wrong.

Either way, it needs to be done quickly. The international break has to be the cut-off.

If Unsworth does dramatically well, he may well deserve it, but tbh I think it's asking a lot of him and putting a huge strain on such an inexperienced manager, who at the moment is building a solid career and should be in no rush to change.

That's par for the course though isn't? It's like Paul Merson going apoplectic last year when Hull appointed Silva because they should have gone for Mike Bassett instead and there's just no way Johnny Foreigner can come over here with his fancy ideas and make it work because what you need is more effort, more running and the ability to absolutely leather either the ball or the closest player to it in order to get out of the relegation zone. It's more xenophobia than any understanding of football that's being shown by the people you're talking about.

 

[Mikey_Fitzgerald]

That's par for the course though isn't? It's like Paul Merson going apoplectic last year when Hull appointed Silva because they should have gone for Mike Bassett instead and there's just no way Johnny Foreigner can come over here with his fancy ideas and make it work because what you need is more effort, more running and the ability to absolutely leather either the ball or the closest player to it in order to get out of the relegation zone. It's more xenophobia than any understanding of football that's being shown by the people you're talking about.

Isn't it just reverse xenophobia to wave such qualities away out of hand though?

It's almost like those people who think it simply has to be a foreigner, because we just can't football properly in Britain

Like Britain is some kind of backward serfdom when it comes to football, and an English manager just simply couldn't be possible of doing more than the basics

 

[Yarrgh]

I don't think he will take the job.

He wants the manager post of FC Bayern next season.

We've beaten them once before to something we both wanted...

 

[BlueToff]

That's par for the course though isn't? It's like Paul Merson going apoplectic last year when Hull appointed Silva because they should have gone for Mike Bassett instead and there's just no way Johnny Foreigner can come over here with his fancy ideas and make it work because what you need is more effort, more running and the ability to absolutely leather either the ball or the closest player to it in order to get out of the relegation zone. It's more xenophobia than any understanding of football that's being shown by the people you're talking about.

True.

Though the ones I'm talking about are Evertonians (Reidy, etc) who have mentioned Dyche as possible. They get the club. It's not some div like Merson.

I'm not saying he's my first choice, and Tuchel would be great, but we can't pretend he doesn't have a fair few faults that may not be worth risking it for given the current state of the squad.